Heyman: Execs have no idea why Scioscia still employed

[Stradling]

7 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Let's look at the 2014 postseason.  Game  1 could have gone either way.  Scioscia  decided to play Josh Hamilton coming off an injury. He sucked before the injury and  was 0-13 in the postseason.  Fernando Salas gave up the winning run, what the fuck was Scioscia thinking ? Angels lost  the game, Scioscia tipped <over> the  scale  towards the KCR.

What tipped the scale towards KC was the bats being silent in game one and two. The game went 11 innings, at some point you have to go deeper into your pen when the bats aren't producing.  As far as Mike going with Hamilton, to me that reeks of being told to play the contract.  Sosh gets criticized for easing guys back from injury, so he chooses then to play a guy everyday coming off an injury.  

[Stradling]

8 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

What has Scioscia done that warrants him keeping his job ?

That's not the point.  I don't care if he is the manager.  If you don't like him that's a fine opinion to have.  If you think he sucks or he's the worst, then you're a fucking idiot.  

[Blarg]

He has kept this team together for an entire season with only one starter that has stayed in the rotation from April on through Septrmber, Bob. 

There has been 31 pitchers called in to piece together a bullpen and rotation over the last five months. Of those only 6 had any real relevant MLB experience as starters, 3 are on the DL. The other 26 pitchers have been reclamation projects or guys that had not much more than a cup of coffee as previous experience. 

What he has done is a shit ton more than most of the league has accomplished with full rotations. The Angels are one game back in the Wildcard after having Simmons, Trout, Maybin, Escobar all serve time on the DL. 

Show some fucking respect. 

3 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

What has Scioscia done that warrants him keeping his job ?

 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

He has kept this team together for an entire season with only one starter that has stayed in the rotation from April on through Septrmber, Bob. 

There has been 31 pitchers called in to piece together a bullpen and rotation over the last five months. Of those only 6 had any real relevant MLB experience as starters, 3 are on the DL. The other 26 pitchers have been reclamation projects or guys that had not much more than a cup of coffee as previous experience. 

What he has done is a shit ton more than most of the league has accomplished with full rotations. The Angels are one game back in the Wildcard after having Simmons, Trout, Maybin, Escobar all serve time on the DL. 

Show some fucking respect. 

 

Great post that guys like Boob and Jars will ignore.  

[tdawg87]

14 minutes ago, Blarg said:

He has kept this team together for an entire season with only one starter that has stayed in the rotation from April on through Septrmber, Bob. 

There has been 31 pitchers called in to piece together a bullpen and rotation over the last five months. Of those only 6 had any real relevant MLB experience as starters, 3 are on the DL. The other 26 pitchers have been reclamation projects or guys that had not much more than a cup of coffee as previous experience. 

What he has done is a shit ton more than most of the league has accomplished with full rotations. The Angels are one game back in the Wildcard after having Simmons, Trout, Maybin, Escobar all serve time on the DL. 

Show some fucking respect. 

 

Yeah but 

[Tank]

2 hours ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Let's look at the 2014 postseason.  Game  1 could have gone either way.  Scioscia  decided to play Josh Hamilton coming off an injury. He sucked before the injury and  was 0-13 in the postseason.  Fernando Salas gave up the winning run, what the fuck was Scioscia thinking ? Angels lost  the game, Scioscia tipped <over> the  scale  towards the KCR.

as a team, the halos hit .170 in that series. tell me anything the manager could have done to change that, especially when your star player, in an MVP season, hits .083 in the series. take as much time as you need to explain how this was the managers' fault.

you constantly ignore player performance in all of your uneven rants against the manager. there is absolutely no balance in your argument.

[red321]

yeah...Cowgill would have made all the difference man...what that team needed was more Cowgill!

[JarsOfClay]

12 hours ago, Blarg said:

He has kept this team together for an entire season with only one starter that has stayed in the rotation from April on through Septrmber, Bob. 

There has been 31 pitchers called in to piece together a bullpen and rotation over the last five months. Of those only 6 had any real relevant MLB experience as starters, 3 are on the DL. The other 26 pitchers have been reclamation projects or guys that had not much more than a cup of coffee as previous experience. 

What he's done?  You do know Eppler is the one who has brought in those pitchers like Bridwell that have helped keep this team in contention, not Scioscia, stop giving him credit for something he has no influence over.  It's Eppler who controls the roster and he's done a fine job of giving Scioscia the tools needed to compete.

All Scioscia controls is the bullpen matchups, pinch hitting, lineup cards etc, and in those facets he fails horribly.  We've seen too many games where Pujols kills rallies with his GIDP's, leaving pitchers in too long, not pinch running or pinch hitting with game on the line, etc.  These costly mistakes cost the team several wins.  That's the point we are arguing - his in game managing.  Not how he single handily restored a rotation in tatters and taught them how to pitch in the big leagues because he's so great at managing.

13 hours ago, Stradling said:

He's a perfectly fine manager.  Certain assholes believe he sucks, those assholes are wrong.  

I guess I'm an asshole.   I will never change my mind that Scioscia is a horrible manager and you will never change your mind that he's great and that's fine.  There's no use in trying to convince each other that the other person is wrong.  This topic has been beaten to death already.

[Stradling]

Just now, JarsOfClay said:

What he's done?  You do know Eppler is the one who has brought in those pitchers like Bridwell that have helped keep this team in contention, not Scioscia, stop giving him credit for something he has no influence over.  It's Eppler who controls the roster and he's done a fine job of giving Scioscia the tools needed to compete.

All Scioscia controls is the bullpen matchups, pinch hitting, lineup cards etc, and in those facets he fails horribly.  We've seen too many games where Pujols kills rallies with his GIDP's, leaving pitchers in too long, not pinch running or pinch hitting with game on the line, etc.  These costly mistakes cost the team several wins.  That's the point we are arguing - his in game managing.  Not how he single handily restored a rotation in tatters and taught them how to pitch in the big leagues because he's so great at managing.

I guess I'm an asshole.   I will never change my mind that Scioscia is a horrible manager and you will never change your mind that he's great and that's fine.  There's no use in trying to convince each other that the other person is wrong.  This topic has been beaten to death already.

I'm not saying he's great, I'm saying he doesn't suck and that guys like you and Bob are ridiculous thinking he does.  Also your emotion clouds your judgement of reality considering he grades out average to above average in bullpen management.  

[Tank]

3 hours ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

He shouldn't have played Hamilton.  True the Angels were not hitting, but the KCR had three more hits then the Angels for the Series. They got 3 wins and scored 9 more runs then the Angels. Scioscia got schooled.

he batted hamilton down in the order IIRC, not cleanup, which was probably difficult for him to do. but for about the billionth time, player performance and the lack of it was critical in that series, not scioscia's decision on who to play. the outcome of the entire series did not swing on the addition or subtraction of hamilton and his play.

 the royals should also get some credit for having very good pitching in that series and for making the world series that year. they were a tough team and the angels clearly had their hands full.

you just don't seem to grasp that how the players perform has such a huge effect on the outcome of the game. you want to lay every single thing on the doorstep of the manager. Uneven.

Edited September 12, 2017 by Tank

[Angel Dog and Beer]

1 hour ago, hangin n wangin said:

Hittin it reverse Cowgill.

I do love me some reverse cowgill. 

[Angel Oracle]

6 hours ago, red321 said:

yeah...Cowgill would have made all the difference man...what that team needed was more Cowgill!

"I'm tellin ya, you're gonna like those Cowgills!"

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Tank said:

he batted hamilton down in the order IIRC, not cleanup, which was probably difficult for him to do. but for about the billionth time, player performance and the lack of it was critical in that series, not scioscia's decision on who to play. the outcome of the entire series did not swing on the addition or subtraction of hamilton and his play.

 the royals should also get some credit for having very good pitching in that series and for making the world series that year. they were a tough team and the angels clearly had their hands full.

you just don't seem to grasp that how the players perform has such a huge effect on the outcome of the game. you want to lay every single thing on the doorstep of the manager. Uneven.

2014 ALDS seemed so much like the 2005 ALCS, except that the ChiSox starters pitched all but one or two innings in the 2005 ALCS while the Royals total staff shut down the Halos totally. 

[Angel Oracle]

6 hours ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

He shouldn't have played Hamilton.  True the Angels were not hitting, but the KCR had three more hits then the Angels for the Series. They got 3 wins and scored 9 more runs then the Angels. Scioscia got schooled.

Most of that difference was courtesy of Nibs bending over for the Royals in game 3.

[ten ocho recon scout]

7 hours ago, red321 said:

yeah...Cowgill would have made all the difference man...what that team needed was more Cowgill!

Ab-solutely

 

Anyone remember that reference? Anyone?

[Tank]

42 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

The Angels are 12-0, when Scioscia misses a game .  Less of Scioscia = wins.  

just when i thought you had reached the bottom of the logic pool, you pulled out a shovel and started digging. congrats.

[Tank]

45 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

The Angels are 12-0, when Scioscia misses a game .  Less of Scioscia = wins.  

and you still haven't addressed any of the issues i've presented - not a single one.

uneven.

Edited September 13, 2017 by Tank

[stormngt]

22 hours ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

What has Scioscia done that warrants him keeping his job ?

Having this injury riddled team filled with cadt offs within a game of the WC birth.

[Stradling]

Bob blames Scioscia for the injuries. 

[Stradling]

Just now, hangin n wangin said:

I find it hilarious that you guys continue to waste your time responding. 

I know, it's my downfall.  I truly hate stupid people with stupid opinions.  Because of that I respond.  

[Stradling]

And it doesn't matter if they saw it coming because it wouldn't have mattered if he actually bunts the ball.  It was bad execution.  

[tdawg87]

"Scioscia is a fucking idiot"

*Posts the same thing 5 times in a row*

[Lou]

Lennie Smalls is back 

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Blah, blah ,blah. . . 

[Lou]

ANAHEIMLENNIE strikes again