Heyman: Execs have no idea why Scioscia still employed

[Tank]

On 9/15/2017 at 2:19 AM, GrittyVeterans said:

Scioscia needs to be fired. He's not a bad manager by any stretch of the imagination. But you just can't keep missing the playoffs every year and not make a change. We've made it to October one time in the last 8 years. Time's up.

He's an average manager at this point that will probably get a job the minute we fire him. But oh well, gotta do what's best for this team

so talent has no effect, only managerial decisions over the last 8 years? 

nope.

[GrittyVeterans]

14 minutes ago, Tank said:

so talent has no effect, only managerial decisions over the last 8 years? 

nope.

I said nothing of that nature. He's is certainly not the only problem but hasn't been part of the solution either. I think there's enough data to make a change and not have it hurt the team

[JarsOfClay]

11 minutes ago, Tank said:

so talent has no effect, only managerial decisions over the last 8 years? 

nope.

The 2012 team could rival the '27 yankees in talent and he still couldn't make the playoffs.  What a joke.

 It's time to stop making excuses and time to start holding people accountable.  He's the manager, he's highly (over)paid, and the team is not performing up to par.  The axe is long overdue.

[Tank]

On 9/15/2017 at 2:19 AM, GrittyVeterans said:

Scioscia needs to be fired. He's not a bad manager by any stretch of the imagination. But you just can't keep missing the playoffs every year and not make a change. We've made it to October one time in the last 8 years. Time's up.

2 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

I said nothing of that nature. He's is certainly not the only problem but hasn't been part of the solution either. I think there's enough data to make a change and not have it hurt the team

 

 i guess i'm unclear then on just what kind of difference scioscia should have been making on a team that has lacked adequate talent and suffered ridiculous amounts of injuries to key players. i'm not sure anyone could have won with the teams we've had over these last 8 years.

[Tank]

3 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

The 2012 team could rival the '27 yankees in talent and he still couldn't make the playoffs.  What a joke.

 It's time to stop making excuses and time to start holding people accountable.  He's the manager, he's highly (over)paid, and the team is not performing up to par.  The axe is long overdue.

laying all of this on doorstep of the manager misses a lot of key elements to the entire equation.

a lot.

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

The 2012 team could rival the '27 yankees in talent and he still couldn't make the playoffs.  What a joke.

 It's time to stop making excuses and time to start holding people accountable.  He's the manager, he's highly (over)paid, and the team is not performing up to par.  The axe is long overdue.

Offensively, yes.  But we had two good pitchers all year, two bad pitchers all year and we picked up a very good pitcher at the deadline.  The bullpen consisted of Isringhausen, Hawkins, Jepsen and Walden.  Then we picked up Frieri and he was good.  But to pretend it was a GREAT team is just revisionist history.  

[fan_since79]

I think Scioscia should be allowed to finish out his contract, but please, no more extensions, especially of the ten-year variety.

It's really time...

 

[GrittyVeterans]

2 hours ago, Tank said:

laying all of this on doorstep of the manager misses a lot of key elements to the entire equation.

a lot.

It does. And anyone who lays all of it on the manager is a fool or a troll or both. This has been a poorly run organization the last decade that is mostly Moreno and his awful GM hirings' fault. 

I don't hate Scioscia as a manager. He's OK. Makes some dumb decisions because he doesn't adapt (contact play, lineup construction, etc). 97% of the time he does what any manager would do. 

It might be time to get someone new in there. They've changed every other coach (except for Ebel and Alfredo Griffin), GM has been changed twice now...I'm just saying he should be next on the way out the door.

[Pujols4MVP]

When the Angels have a GREAT team again then would be the time to replace Scioscia with someone who's modern & not stuck in 1988.

As long as they have a mediocre roster they should definitely keep Scioscia around.

[Spirit]

I've always been on the group that wanted to keep him.  I'm done now.  As a once wise man once said ...

"It's time to turn the page."

 

 

[Troll Daddy]

I don't see him leaving the Angels anytime soon ... imo he will get a contract extension through 2020. 

[Blarg]

I think Eppler will be changing out the coaching staff once Scioscia's contract expires.

Eppler knows he has to work with Scioscia the next season to honor the owner's choice but once that expires* he will want to move on with his franchise rebuild. As he should.

 

*Corrected because I thought it would never end.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Blarg

[fan_since79]

Scioscia's contract has only one more year to run, unless he gets an extension. It's through the 2018 season.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/al-west/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim/

[Amazing Larry]

27 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

I don't see him leaving the Angels anytime soon ... imo he will get a contract extension through 2020. 

You've outdone yourself on this one Pimp. Outstanding work.

[red321]

26 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I think Eppler will be changing out the coaching staff once Scioscia's contract expires.

Eppler knows he has to work with Scioscia the next season to honor the owner's choice but once that expires* he will want to move on with his franchise rebuild. As he should.

 

*Corrected because I thought it would never end.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Scioscia move on after his contract expires...but just to watch folks heads explode it will be fun to see what happens when Ron Roenicke is named as his replacement

[fan_since79]

1 hour ago, Troll Daddy said:

I don't see him leaving the Angels anytime soon ... imo he will get a contract extension through 2020. 

You're nothing if not predictable.

 

[Troll Daddy]

24 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

You're nothing if not predictable.

 

It's a opinion ... not necessarily a preference  

[Homebrewer]

When he has had teams good enough to go to the playoffs (a few seasons ago they led baseball in wins) he's been unable to set them up to do anything. Except 1 season, OK maybe 2.. . That's my biggest reason to want him gone. Of course there are tons of smaller reasons in my book....but damn, it's so far past time to see him replaced.

I'm still holding out hope that he will take an early retirement.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Homebrewer said:

When he has had teams good enough to go to the playoffs (a few seasons ago they led baseball in wins) he's been unable to set them up to do anything. Except 1 season, OK maybe 2.. . That's my biggest reason to want him gone. Of course there are tons of smaller reasons in my book....but damn, it's so far past time to see him replaced.

I'm still holding out hope that he will take an early retirement.

I think 2012 was a good team that had no bullpen the first half of the season then got the only good 3 months of Frier's career in the second half.  That was also the year that Santana had a 5.5 ERA (I think) and was limited to five innings a start and he somewhat turned it around and had a good September.  That was also the beginning of the end for Haren, who was really bad that year.  We acquired Grienke for the stretch run, but we had a horrible August and a great September but couldn't get in the playoffs with 89 wins.  

In 2014, I would give more of the blame to Scioscia if the guys that performed all year long, Trout and Albert, didn't suck in the playoffs.  There has been a lot of Scioscia rested all of those players the last week narrative over the years.  But both Albert and Trout played every game down the stretch, although they didn't play the entire game the last week.  However they both got a minimum of 3 at bats in every game except for one.  If those two performed, the ones that EVERYONE expected them to perform, we will those first two games.  They were hitless.  No amount of managing changes that, not with those two.  It was a simple choke job. 

Should he have played Hamilton, nope, but that certainly seemed like a front office move.  Should Kole have bunted, no, but that is not only an execution problem, but also just trying to do anything to score a run, because they weren't hitting at all.  

I am ready for a change, but man this team has been flawed for quite some time, including this year, especially this year. 

[Pujols4MVP]

3 hours ago, Blarg said:

I think Eppler will be changing out the coaching staff once Scioscia's contract expires.

Eppler knows he has to work with Scioscia the next season to honor the owner's choice but once that expires* he will want to move on with his franchise rebuild. As he should.

 

*Corrected because I thought it would never end.

What would be funny is if Eppler handles it like in the movie 'Office Space' where they hire a group of specialists to evaluate people for their own jobs & layoff employees afterwards.

[Tank]

12 hours ago, GrittyVeterans said:

It does. And anyone who lays all of it on the manager is a fool or a troll or both. This has been a poorly run organization the last decade that is mostly Moreno and his awful GM hirings' fault. 

I don't hate Scioscia as a manager. He's OK. Makes some dumb decisions because he doesn't adapt (contact play, lineup construction, etc). 97% of the time he does what any manager would do. 

It might be time to get someone new in there. They've changed every other coach (except for Ebel and Alfredo Griffin), GM has been changed twice now...I'm just saying he should be next on the way out the door.

well said. i think you and i are on the same page, especially in regards to arte's problems in running the organization.

there are some posters here who are so blinded by their hatred of sosh that they seem to have lost their sense and objectivity. glad to see you're not one of them.

[Tank]

4 hours ago, Troll Daddy said:

I don't see him leaving the Angels anytime soon ... imo he will get a contract extension through 2020. 

i think this is very possible. let's not forget that sosh is not a young man. that could factor into whether he stays or moves on or just calls it a day.

i'm sure there are more interesting things at this stage in his life than driving from westlake village to anaheim every day.

[Stradling]

I think I read he owns a house in Newport as well. 

[Troll Daddy]

14 minutes ago, Tank said:

i think this is very possible. let's not forget that sosh is not a young man. that could factor into whether he stays or moves on or just calls it a day.

i'm sure there are more interesting things at this stage in his life than driving from westlake village to anaheim every day.

Scioscia is only 58 ... young in my book. Bud Black is 60 years old in comparison.