Can you imagine if...

[Troll Daddy]

What if ...

[Erstad Grit]

12 minutes ago, hangin n wangin said:

He's not a cheap ass. He just blows his load on over the hill players who are past their prime. He got ripped off and that's why he was cheap the past year. He didn't want to make another mistake.

I agree with that. He made some horrible moves and he is paying for them for a while. It just bothers me when posters here call him cheap. 

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Good example of why Arte needs to let his scouts do the thinking, and he just sign off on transactions.

I would think it was our scouts who didn't want to give up "their players/prospects" for Cabrera. 

[Angel Oracle]

I will qualify it as saying that Arte is NOW cheap.    Too bad he wasn't cheap in 2011-2013, and too bad he didn't understand to hire good scouts, be in Latin America, and let his FO/coaches/scouts run the org.    That's my frustration. 

[Angel Oracle]

5 minutes ago, Lou said:

I would think it was our scouts who didn't want to give up "their players/prospects" for Cabrera. 

Then he needs better scouts, which has been a concern on here.

[AngelsLakersFan]

14 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I agree with that. He made some horrible moves and he is paying for them for a while. It just bothers me when posters here call him cheap. 

I'll call him cheap. He has the 5th highest payroll, but the second biggest tv deal, 3,000,000 fans, and he spends absolutely nothing on scouting, player development, internationally or in the draft. So ya, I'll call him cheap.

[Angel Oracle]

It's been asked before, but where have we been ranked in MLB for the past several years in spending on scouting/development/foreign scouting?

[Chuck]

2 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I'll call him cheap. He has the 5th highest payroll, but the second biggest tv deal, 3,000,000 fans, and he spends absolutely nothing on scouting, player development, internationally or in the draft. So ya, I'll call him cheap.

Agreed.

[Troll Daddy]

There was a big push here to sign Heyward.

 I rest my case.

[Lou]

6 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I'll call aybe him cheap. He has the 5th highest payroll, but the second biggest tv deal, 3,000,000 fans, and he spends absolutely nothing on scouting, player development, internationally or in the draft. So y I'll call him cheap.

I'm going to ask this for the 50th time here. (i have yet to receive an answer)

How much do we spend on all those areas you listed? How does that compare with the rest of MLB ?

Many here love to throw the same comment around, but obviously they have no idea what the numbers are. Hopefully you can provide us with the figures. 

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

There was a big push here to sign Heyward.

 I rest my case.

Not from me. 

I wanted Fowler or Cespedes and one of Zobrist/Murphy. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

trading for Cabrera means no Tex trade which means no Trout.  

They got Trout off the K-Rod compensation pick.

K-rod got them the Randal Gricuk slot number, but they had Trout only behind Strasburg on their draft board.

[Lou]

28 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Then he needs better scouts, which has been a concern on here.

i definitely agree 

[Erstad Grit]

28 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

There was a big push here to sign Heyward.

 I rest my case.

or Upton or Gordon ........

[AngelsLakersFan]

52 minutes ago, Lou said:

I'm going to ask this for the 50th time here. (i have yet to receive an answer)

How much do we spend on all those areas you listed? How does that compare with the rest of MLB ?

Many here love to throw the same comment around, but obviously they have no idea what the numbers are. Hopefully you can provide us with the figures. 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/2015-international-spending-by-team/#ym5oe8l2fsuifJgM.97 (30th)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/2014-international-spending-team/#iE3EDh3Z2sXxykJv.97 (24th)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/2013-international-spending-by-team/#TpZPBySzmJJHEVhT.97 (29th)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/international-affairs/2012/2613090.html (24th)

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/statheads-are-the-best-free-agent-bargains-in-baseball/ (Number of scouts: Angels have increased from 26th in 2009 to 15th this year, thanks Eppler!)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-bonus-spending-drops-2015-despite-larger-pools/#JvfqM5A3eM6RTJPl.97 (Angels last in spending since 2012)

 

[Angel Oracle]

Thank you ALF, that was ABYSMAL to say the least.    

I hope Moreno finally learned his lesson, and that's why the # of scouts has finally increased to #15.   Let's hope they have some talent at finding talent.

[Troll Daddy]

Money has ruined the simplicity of baseball. 

[Lou]

Have only gotten through a few of those links, but that really doesn't give an answer to the questions at hand. Those are only amounts spent on international contracts (and the rules have changed in that area). It doesn't show how much is being spent internationally as a whole.

also, nothing on how much is spent on scouting or player development.

regarding the draft, isn't it better that we don't pay more for a player than we should ? I fail to see how this is a bad thing.  Giving an 11th round pick $647k when that pick is slotted @ $100k (dodger) isn't going to make him a better player. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

16 minutes ago, Lou said:

Have only gotten through a few of those links, but that really doesn't give an answer to the questions at hand. Those are only amounts spent on international contracts (and the rules have changed in that area). It doesn't show how much is being spent internationally as a whole.

also, nothing on how much is spent on scouting or player development.

regarding the draft, isn't it better that we don't pay more for a player than we should ? I fail to see how this is a bad thing.  Giving an 11th round pick $647k when that pick is slotted @ $100k (dodger) isn't going to make him a better player. 

I knew you would cop out on a response. 

[AngelsLongBall]

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

[Lou]

Huh? I gave you a response. 

What you provided in no way answered the questions. But I do appreciate the links. Found some good articles to read 

[AngelsLakersFan]

Oh please. What did you expect, for me to post you links to the books of all 30 privately owned MLB franchises with charts breaking down how the spent every last penny over the last two decades? Did you need me to do all the work for you and give you an executive summary? 

[Lou]

No, just a list of how much is spent, like you did with the international signings. 

Dude, you need a break. Don't know why you're getting heated about this. I honestly want to know these figures. They must be out there since so many here claim Arte's a cheap ass.  Last 2 decades? I just care about what is being spent now, since people keep stating that Arte is cheap as a fact. Who knows, he may be, but I've been asking for a couple of years and not one person's has been able to back up their statement. 

Obviously you're not going to either, so I guess I'll just have to ask the next person who goes off on an "Arte is cheap" rant. 

 

Edited May 26, 2016 by Lou

[Lou]

But if you do happen to get that executive summary finished, shoot it on over. 

[Erstad Grit]

5 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

I will qualify it as saying that Arte is NOW cheap.    Too bad he wasn't cheap in 2011-2013, and too bad he didn't understand to hire good scouts, be in Latin America, and let his FO/coaches/scouts run the org.    That's my frustration. 

I disagree. The contracts of Hamilton, Pujols, and Wilson were signed a while ago but he is still paying for them today. If after Wilson and Hamilton come off the books Arte does not sign anybody I will agree he has gone cheap. However money being spent badly is not the same money not being spent.