Excellence - Part 2

[Angelsjunky]

So far AJ you haven't provided any evidence that the UK is better, you are just saying they could be because I didn't provide every instance where they are not. Remember earlier in the conversation you demanded I not skirt the issue and provide substance.

Balls in your court.

 

I didn't say they were better. You said the US is better and only supported that with regards to one disease.

 

I will say that the UK is far superior in one obvious way: It is universal.

 

I'd recommend reading this article, which is the perspective of a dual citizen who has experienced both. There are pros and cons to each, but he says the UK is overall better.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/an-american-uses-britain-nhs-2015-1

[Adam]

Excellent article

[Angelsjunky]

Eric, I would also add that on a very basic level, the fact that you can go into a hospital or ER in the UK and not fear about whether or not your insurance will cover you, or by how much, is a HUGE plus.

[Stradling]

Eric, I would also add that on a very basic level, the fact that you can go into a hospital or ER in the UK and not fear about whether or not your insurance will cover you, or by how much, is a HUGE plus.

Yes Eric and you won't be burdened with extra bills considering the likelihood of your death.

[Blarg]

I was diagnosed with Meniere's disease last year after seeing a specialist and having an MRI. My co payment was $10. So I guess his US health Care experience differs from mine both in the quality of the doctor he saw, the ability to question his condition and find other opinions and his lack of coverage.

 

The waiting time in Emergency Rooms is always determined by need. In California the illegal aliens use emergency room services knowing they can't be turned away for something even as simple as flu symptoms. Three years ago I ended up in the emergency room in Pomona that was crowded with people with nothing that looked life threatening. I had an accelerated and unstable heartbeat and found myself being cared for immediately. So there is no wait for true emergency services. True emergency services, however they don't turn anyone away unlike in the UK so wait times are longer for people with the sniffles.

 

I like being able to schedule my non emergency services around my time schedule. I would loath being a slave to a timetable that would be impossible to meet given the type of work I do. Aj, maybe this is never an issue for you but for many of us in a professional occupation it would wreck havoc.

 

But overall, AJ, it was a nice anecdotal story.

Edited April 15, 2016 by notti

[Blarg]

Yes Eric and you won't be burdened with extra bills considering the likelihood of your death.

 

I don't think burial is covered.

[Tank]

I was diagnosed with Meniere's disease last year after seeing a specialist and having an MRI. My co payment was $10. So I guess his US health Care experience differs from mine both in the quality of the doctor he saw, the ability to question his condition and find other opinions and his lack of coverage.

 

The waiting time in Emergency Rooms is always determined by need. In California the illegal aliens use emergency room services knowing they can't be turned away for something even as simple as flu symptoms. Three years ago I ended up in the emergency room in Pomona that was crowded with people with nothing that looked life threatening. I had an accelerated and unstable heartbeat and found myself being cared for immediately. So there is no wait for true emergency services. True emergency services, however they don't turn anyone away unlike in the UK so wait times are longer for people with the sniffles.

 

when we've had CPR classes, our teachers have frequently told us that in the ER, the heart cases get in almost immediately.

[Blarg]

when we've had CPR classes, our teachers have frequently told us that in the ER, the heart cases get in almost immediately.

 

It never looks good in the ER for people to drop dead of heart attacks in front of the hypochondriacs. It scares them and makes them all claim to have caught the heart attack virus.

[ABC]

Yes Eric and you won't be burdened with extra bills considering the likelihood of your death.

 

Many people avoid going to the ER because they fear the high cost of medical treatment.

[ABC]

I was diagnosed with Meniere's disease last year after seeing a specialist and having an MRI. My co payment was $10. So I guess his US health Care experience differs from mine both in the quality of the doctor he saw, the ability to question his condition and find other opinions and his lack of coverage.

 

The waiting time in Emergency Rooms is always determined by need. In California the illegal aliens use emergency room services knowing they can't be turned away for something even as simple as flu symptoms. Three years ago I ended up in the emergency room in Pomona that was crowded with people with nothing that looked life threatening. I had an accelerated and unstable heartbeat and found myself being cared for immediately. So there is no wait for true emergency services. True emergency services, however they don't turn anyone away unlike in the UK so wait times are longer for people with the sniffles.

 

I like being able to schedule my non emergency services around my time schedule. I would loath being a slave to a timetable that would be impossible to meet given the type of work I do. Aj, maybe this is never an issue for you but for many of us in a professional occupation it would wreck havoc.

 

But overall, AJ, it was a nice anecdotal story.

 

1. This needs to be fixed.

 

2. That's anecdotal. Not everyone is so lucky. And many less pressing injuries, but true emergencies need to wait, because of overrun ERs.

Edited April 15, 2016 by ____

[Tank]

This needs to be fixed.

 

indeed, but that's going to require action from our legislators in sacramento, and that just isn't going to happen with the way california likes to hand out money by the fistful to the illegals.

[Blarg]

1. This needs to be fixed.

 

2. That's anecdotal. Not everyone is so lucky. And many less pressing injuries, but true emergencies need to wait, because of overrun ERs.

 

1. Yes, I needed to reduce my red meat intake and exercise more.

2. AJ's article was anecdotal, the response reflects that and all ER's treat by system of life threatening on down, no matter how overburdened.

Edited April 15, 2016 by notti

[Blarg]

I'd like to stay up and continue but my bladder timer went off and I get to start my every three hour cycle of interrupted sleep, maintenance and then back to sleep only to be woken up again at 4am and so on until I just start my day.

[ABC]

1. Yes, I needed to reduce my red meat intake and exercise more.

2. AJ's article was anecdotal, the response reflects that and all ER's treat by system of life threatening on down, no matter how overburdened.

 

1. I was referring to people using the ER as a doc visit. Keep on the good fight. Beef is delicious. I just pick up some short ribs, marrow and oxtail to make a bone broth.

 

2. As long as we all understand it's anecdotal and doesn't bolster any point. Life threatening yes, but it really doesn't work as smoothly as you make it seem esp for less than life threatening cases. However, if you go to Ronald Reagen/UCLA ER, then a blister gets prompt attention (I've mentioned my experiences there in another thread.) It's awesome.

[Angelsjunky]

Eric, you realize that your experience is anecdotal as well?

 

The main difference is that you've only experienced the US health care system, while that guy has experienced both.

 

There are other articles out there that say similar things. Both have pros and cons, but overall the UK system is considered better.

[Blarg]

It is pretty obvious my experience is anecdotal. What he has experienced is a half truth because his free health care comes as a cost in taxation.

It also comes at the cost of a telephone call to a scheduler determining if your symptoms are relevant enough to schedule a prompt appointment with a specialist.

That is probably a contributing factor as to why their bladder cancer mortality rates are so high. This is not something that can wait, the aggressiveness of the disease is such that staging moves rather quickly. From my first biopsy that revealed two areas of the bladder that were infected to the final cystectomy three more areas were showing cancerous growth. Time is never on your side.

In the UK their Rolls Royce moves too damn slow.

[Adam]

Looks like they pay an 11% tax for insurance and a 20% sales tax. Income tax looks about the same as here. You can pay more for better healthcare here.

[Blarg]

Meanwhile in the world of socialized medicine, almost 13,000 operations and more than 110,000 outpatient appointments were canceled.

 

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-junior-doctors-withdraw-emergency-care-in-all-out-strike-1461674790

[Make Angels Great Again]

Subscribe to read? No thanks.

 

I'm pretty sure I could find some pretty damn bad stories on our healthcare if I tried.

[Blarg]

I could dumb it down for you and link the MSN version.