Excellence - Part 2

[Thomas]

I don't know that comparing public spending of the US vs the UK is a fair comparison considering the US isn't designed to operate that way.

 

Any disagreement from either side that the US "model" for health care is pretty much the worst of both worlds in its current state?

[Thomas]

Addendum to question: At least in the sense of controlling costs.

[Make Angels Great Again]

The US pretty much doesn't do a damned thing right when it comes to healthcare, that's for sure.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

I don't know that comparing public spending of the US vs the UK is a fair comparison considering the US isn't designed to operate that way.

 

It's not fair because it points out the fact the number you've been using is misleading.  The US spends more than the UK on public funded healthcare but it isn't 2 or 3x as much as it's roughly 33% more as of 2011:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita#/media/File:Oecd-healthexp-percapita.svg

 

Why is costs more can be attributable to multiple factors one of which is the cost of healthcare for undocumented individuals who aren't denied at emergency rooms and inpatient care in hospitals.   

Edited April 11, 2016 by Catwhoshatinthehat

[Make Angels Great Again]

It's not fair because it points out the fact the number you've been using is misleading.  The US spends more than the UK on public funded healthcare but it isn't 2 or 3x as much as it's roughly 33% more as of 2011:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita#/media/File:Oecd-healthexp-percapita.svg

 

Why is costs more can be attributable to multiple factors one of which is the cost of healthcare for undocumented individuals who aren't denied at emergency rooms and inpatient care in hospitals.   

 

 

In what way am I being misleading? I've been pretty open about the fact that nothing about the US health care system is cost efficient.

 

Again, nothing about the US healthcare system is cost effective. Not one thing.

 

There's nothing misleading about the fact that the US spends a ton more on healthcare than the UK, it's simply a fact.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Nate, if AFL truly is a anti-vaxxer, why are you arguing with him? I mean, AJ isn't exactly a rocket scientist, but he's not a confirmed idiot.

 

Except i'm not an anti-vaxer.

[nate]

Nate, if AFL truly is a anti-vaxxer, why are you arguing with him? I mean, AJ isn't exactly a rocket scientist, but he's not a confirmed idiot.

 

I don't have any room for grey areas.

[ten ocho recon scout]

The US pretty much doesn't do a damned thing right when it comes to healthcare, that's for sure.

Disagree

http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lifestyle/celebrity-beauty-2/top-10-countries-with-the-most-breast-implants/?view=all

[Make Angels Great Again]

Take note guys,

 

Now that is an excellent article.

[Tank]

Getting desperate I see, linking a recording from 1978...lol.

 

 

I can argue it easily, all I have to do is point to the UK's success. It's universal healthcare is the best in the world.

So how many dozens of countries worldwide are copying the British healthcare model?

[Make Angels Great Again]

A lot try their own spin on it, and most of them are better than ours.

[Make Angels Great Again]

By the way, I'm not watching this thread like a hawk. I swear!

[InsideThePark]

Sarcasm I assume. The only time we see you is when you're defending Bern and your responses are rapid fire. You got one hand on the refresh button and the other hand on your pipe.

[Blarg]

The US pretty much doesn't do a damned thing right when it comes to healthcare, that's for sure.

I disagree and you don't even have a clue why.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Lol, it's actually not sarcasm but I could see why you would think that.

Haven't looked at this forum in a little while, just happened to check it right when tank posted.

[Make Angels Great Again]

I disagree and you don't even have a clue why.

I'll just say that post was hyperbole.

[Blarg]

Tell me then, why did I disagree with your post?

Edited April 12, 2016 by notti

[Make Angels Great Again]

You misunderstand. My original post you quoted was not meant to be 100% serious. Sure there are probably some things our system isn't complete shit at, I'm guessing you'd like to share?

[Tank]

A lot try their own spin on it, and most of them are better than ours.

 

how are you defining "better"? cost? services? choices?

[Blarg]

You misunderstand. My original post you quoted was not meant to be 100% serious. Sure there are probably some things our system isn't complete shit at, I'm guessing you'd like to share?

 

You act as though everything you present is factual. Still, I'll leave it to you to figure out why I would disagree with your statement and statements.

[Make Angels Great Again]

I don't pretend to be a mind reader.

[Make Angels Great Again]

how are you defining "better"? cost? services? choices?

A balance of different things, but mostly cost, quality and accessibility.

[Blarg]

I don't pretend to be a mind reader.

 

But you do pretend to be an expert. I disagree with your expertise in a subject you can only google.

[Make Angels Great Again]

And Notti, again, I am well aware there are things you could disagree with in that statement and depending on what it is I would probably agree with you.

So I'm not sure what you're arguing.

[Make Angels Great Again]

But you do pretend to be an expert. I disagree with your expertise in a subject you can only google.

An expert at what? Social sciences? I never claimed to be. I simply look at data thats already been gathered that supports my claims.

You guys should try it sometime.