Official Guns Thread

[arch stanton]

Nate will be busy down at the border shooting wetbacks.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, nate said:

No, if it was locked in a gun safe then you should not be prosecuted, like I said.

Once again, how do you prove your gun was locked in the safe?  

[nate]

Just now, Stradling said:

Once again, how do you prove your gun was locked in the safe?  

Because gun safes are big and heavy and there would be evidence of the safe being missing, and being broken into.

[Jay]

And maybe it's a cheap safe from Taiwan that you can break into with a screwdriver.

 

[nate]

So part of the law requires that gun safes sold in the US meet a certain level of quality.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, nate said:

Because gun safes are big and heavy and there would be evidence of the safe being missing, and being broken into.

Doesn't mean you locked up your gun.  

[nate]

Just now, Stradling said:

Doesn't mean you locked up your gun.  

ok...

The prosecutor has the burden of proof to prove that the gun was not locked up in a safe, not the other way around.  No different than every other criminal case in existence.

[mtangelsfan]

18 minutes ago, nate said:

Then they are not taking their responsibility as a gun owner serious and if their gun is taken and used in a murder they should be charged with murder too.

What if someone tries to murder you with one of your own knives?  Should you both be charged with attempted murder?

[nate]

Look over there!

[mtangelsfan]

This is your scenario nate.  Why just guns?  What if its a hunting knife?  What about a bow and arrow?  

Why just guns?

[nate]

Because guns are the overwhelming source of murder in this country?

[Thomas]

2 hours ago, nate said:

Right... it is too hard.  If we were really the greatest country in the world we would be doing more instead of saying it is too hard.

Okay, how do you propose to obtain the 300 million plus existing firearms in this country and prevent the import of them when we can't keep out drugs, people, or tentacle porn? The answer cannot include or paraphrase the concept of trying really really hard.

 

2 hours ago, nate said:

And by the way, New Mexico might be a desert, but it is our country, there are plenty of people that know it like the back of their hands, it isn't a remote foreign country.

Because the problem in the satellite era is that there just isn't a Rand-McNally atlas for the region. And how exactly remote is a region when you have multiple bases in country?

[Amazing Larry]

LOL. I'm convinced Nate is just trolling all of us. 

[nate]

Because no matter how many satellite images you have you still have to investigate all of those regions as a foreign force.  We have a police force and national guard that we could mobilize and search with experts on the region in no time.

To your first question it is simple,  you just buy them back.  It will take decades but it isn't impossible.  People will always be able to smuggle bad things in, but again I ask you, if it is so simple, why aren't there more bombings?  RPG attacks?  etc

[Stradling]

Guns are cheap

[Jay]

Guns aren't that cheap. Several hundred dollars is a lot of money for most people.

 

[Stradling]

Compared to bombs and RPGs guns are cheap. 

[Thomas]

Just now, nate said:

Because no matter how many satellite images you have you still have to investigate all of those regions as a foreign force.  We have a police force and national guard that we could mobilize and search with experts on the region in no time.

Are you implying there aren't experts in Afghani geography, culture, political groups etc. The burden of proof is on you to prove how it is different. Are you suggesting that either the military or local law enforcement would disregard any semblance of due process and kill or jail anyone the modestly suspect of disloyalty? How exactly would the political power stay in power for long in such a police state?

12 minutes ago, nate said:

To your first question it is simple,  you just buy them back.  It will take decades but it isn't impossible.  People will always be able to smuggle bad things in, but again I ask you, if it is so simple, why aren't there more bombings?  RPG attacks?  etc

So even in your best case scenario you concede that it's very unlikely that the "bad guys" would ever not be armed? That by definition the only guns that would be removed from circulation would be those willing and law abiding enough to turn them in?

[Thomas]

13 minutes ago, nate said:

To your first question it is simple,  you just buy them back.  It will take decades but it isn't impossible.  People will always be able to smuggle bad things in, but again I ask you, if it is so simple, why aren't there more bombings?  RPG attacks?  etc

Are you supposing that it would be harder to create homemade bombs and explosive devices in this country than in Europe or Israel?

[Stradling]

Just trade guns for drugs, you'd have a better chance of getting more dirty guns off the street.  Or perhaps trade them for some Thunderbird.  

[Thomas]

All the material for making meth is illegal to purchase in non-trivial amounts.
/peaks out windows in Albuquerque

Yep, still lots of Meth being made.

[nate]

Yes but the FBI isn't tracking the materials to make meth or drugs like they are bomb making materials.

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, nate said:

Yes but the FBI isn't tracking the materials to make meth or drugs like they are bomb making materials.

You're kidding, right?  You've ever bought the behind the counter cold medicine at Walmart? You've ever bought animal feed store amounts of iodine?   Yeah, they are paying fucking attention. It's almost like there is a war on drugs.

[nate]

Just like all of those materials it takes to make C4 at Walmart too, right?

[Thomas]

Just now, nate said:

Just like all of those materials it takes to make C4 at Walmart too, right?

Databases make the world go round.  But yeah with just a little more effort than what you're putting into this argument, as in not much, it isn't that hard. Have they started tracking purchases of pressure cookers?