Piazza and Griffey elected to HOF

[gurn67]

Well, Piazza was right. Even though he was the worst long-term starting defensive catcher I've ever watched. His unwillingness to improve his teams by getting extra at-bats, and improving the defense at the caching position, during the prime of his career cost him a chance at a ring. However, by moving to first base which is a less physically demanding and less defensively important position, he got into the Hall.

[Tank]

hoffman and smith were dominating and have the stats to back up their work. very disappointing that they aren't in.

 

and i'm baffled why raines still isn't in. this is a grievous oversight.

[happybat4]

Piazza didn't play that much first from what I remember

[ABC]

1. Tim Raines â€@TimRaines30  3h3 hours ago

   Finally, a heartfelt thank you to all the fans on Twitter/in person who continue to show love & support. My family and I are touched. (3/3)

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   Tim Raines â€@TimRaines30  3h3 hours ago

   Next, I also want to thank everyone who advocated for me, especially @jonahkeri & @theaceofspaeder . I really appreciate it. (2/3)

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   Tim Raines â€@TimRaines30  3h3 hours ago

   I would like to thank @officialBBWAA writers for once again considering my @baseballhall candidacy, the ultimate honor in the sport. (1/3)

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[mancini79]

Looks like 3 writers are still pissed that Griffey Sr didn't sign their baseballs in the 80's and are now getting their revenge by not voting in Griffey's son. That's the only explanation why Jr would not be voted on a ballot.

[bloodbrother]

it can't be just the suggestion of steroids that keeps a player out. bonds, mcgwire, clemens, sosa; we all know did steroids. there is a preponderance of evidence. bonds threw it in your face and told you to sit and spin while he did it, those are the two big factors that will keep him out forever.

 

bagwell, piazza, sheffield, even david ortiz; as far as i'm aware there is only the suggestion that they may have taken them. 

 

We already know about Ortiz. He had a positive test in 2003

[floplag]

No, those people aren't in the HOF because sportswriters don't like assholes. 

Ty Cobb says hello... among others

[Inside Pitch]

Really not on board with you on Mussina. He really was not that great of a pitcher. Durable as hell, logged lots of innings but really led the league in nothing his entire career. I mean nothing, no stand out performances where he was unhittable, no jaw dropping seasons, just kind of an average guy for lots of years then his last five years pretty mediocre.

You would be getting into the Chuck Finley category of pitcher quality if you're voting for Mussina.

 

24th best WAR by a SP -- ahead of guys like Glavine...    Career ERA+ of 123 -- again ahead of Glavine 118, and Finley 115..      Pitching in the same league at the same time as Pedro and Clemens tends to impact the leaderboards -- that being said -- his grey ink score of 250 is well above that of the average HOFer's 185.   His HOF monitor score of 121 is above the likely HOFers 100 and his HOF Standard score of 54 is again, above the HOF averages.   Chuck Finley doesn't come close to those numbers...

 

He's being underrated.  He wasn't an average guy -- he was a consistently well above average pitcher who was overshadowed by two of the greatest pitchers of all time.  But check at some of the advanced metrics and he was a top 10 all time pitcher when looking at the things he could control.    

 

So he was Don Sutton without the longevity.

 

Don sutton ERA+  108....   They aren't remotely the same guy..

Edited January 7, 2016 by Inside Pitch

[Vegas Halo Fan]

One of the MLB Network talking heads said last night that Gary Sheffield was going to get in. He was named on fewer than 12 percent of the ballots. Good call.

[Tank]

Looks like 3 writers are still pissed that Griffey Sr didn't sign their baseballs in the 80's and are now getting their revenge by not voting in Griffey's son. That's the only explanation why Jr would not be voted on a ballot.

 

it still baffles me that players like ruth, gehrig, bench, mays, aaron, walter johnson, musial, and dimaggio didn't get 100% either.

[CaliAngel]

 

Also, this was in today's LA times.  Might have been posted elsewhere, but whatever.

 

Say it ain't so -- Mike Piazza wants to go into the Hall not as a Dodger but a Met

 

 

Hell yeah! So glad to hear this!!!

 

...It was Summer of 1998. I was 12 at the time, and suddenly heard on the radio that the Doyers traded Mike Piazza for some bulls**t Charles Johnson catcher that was supposed to be better defensively, but couldn't hit worth crap (partly why I had such an issue with Jeff Mathis his entire Angel tenure). It didn't matter where Piazza was going, I was speechless when I heard they traded him away. "Are they out of their effing minds?" was all I could think. This was back when blockbuster trades of the best teams players at the deadline weren't so common (or didn't seem so common back then) as they are today.

 

At the time I was somewhat of an Angel/Doyer fan (just to support SoCal baseball, plus I LOVED listening to Vin Scully) and used to go with my parents to both stadiums. Admittedly I visited Angel stadium much more because I was an OC kid, it was so close, and the traffic to get to Dodger stadium sucked. I still remember going to Angel ballgames with just me and my mom when I was 6 years old when the stadium was still enclosed! She would take just me and her and bring peanuts and buy me a hot dog it was awesome!

 

At that very moment in the Summer of 1998, after hearing of the trade, I swore off the Doyers FOREVER! I decided it was a calling to became an Angel fan through and through, and once I put my Doyer cap in the trash, I knew I would never look back.

 

I've never regretted it since, and I never will. GO HALOS! And most of all, Congratulations Mike Piazza! One tappy papi!

[Vegas Halo Fan]

it still baffles me that players like ruth, gehrig, bench, mays, aaron, walter johnson, musial, and dimaggio didn't get 100% either.

 

One theory that I heard today is that the limit of ten entries on each ballot has something to do with it. If a writer believes that more than ten candidates are worthy, he pulls his votes from the players who need them the least.

[laagamer]

Ty Cobb says hello... among others

 

Ty Cobb lived awhile back flop lol

[QuinlansMinion]

No, those people aren't in the HOF because sportswriters don't like assholes.

Exactly. Its nothing more than a popularity contest. Thanks for agreeing with me.

[happybat4]

It has to do with PEDs. All people known to use them are out

[Redondo]

Congrats to both of them

[Stradling]

Sounds like Dan Lebatard is one of the guys who didn't vote for Griffey. He did it to protest Bonds and Clemens not in the Hall.

[Junkballer]

No, those people aren't in the HOF because sportswriters don't like assholes that aren't fellow sportswriters.

 

 

FTFY

[fan_since79]

Only 3 idiots left Griffey off their ballot

 

11 morons failed to vote for Babe Ruth.

[mtangelsfan]

Sounds like Dan Lebatard is one of the guys who didn't vote for Griffey. He did it to protest Bonds and Clemens not in the Hall.

 

Never has their been a bigger buffoon who actually believes he is intelligent or important.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Only 2 guys get in?! There are probably 15 'hall of famers' on the ballot this year....

[seenoevil]

trout > griffey

[bloodbrother]

Sounds like Dan Lebatard is one of the guys who didn't vote for Griffey. He did it to protest Bonds and Clemens not in the Hall.

 

He was trolling. He hasn't had a HOF vote for a few years now. He lost his privileges when he sold his ballot to Deadspin and let them fill it out

[Stradling]

He was trolling. He hasn't had a HOF vote for a few years now. He lost his privileges when he sold his ballot to Deadspin and let them fill it out

I hope so. I googled it and it said he lost his vote for one year back in 2014.

[floplag]

Ty Cobb lived awhile back flop lol

 

So?  doesn't change the fact that this is about baseball achievement, not personality.  The writers opinion of the person is completely moot.  It makes zero difference if the man was the biggest douche on the planet.. this isnt Hall of Nice Guys.

 

These writers are a bunch of hypocritical jerks.  Oh, i know, ill punish the asshole by being one.. great logic. 

Edited January 7, 2016 by floplag