Eppler: "had converstations with LF FAs 24 hours ago"

[Ohtaniland]

MLB Hot Stove this morning showed that of the major free agent signings in the 12/13 offseason, 7 out of 8 were busts and most of those players were traded. The only considered successful signing was Greinke because he opted out.

Exactly and people continue to expect Arte to write checks for mega millions to players whom rarely perform to the level of the contract. I'm glad that Arte finally got it but the franchise will be in flux until Eppler reverses the damage.

[Angel Oracle]

I think the concern going over the lux tax this year is ... the second time offense is 30%. This could hamstring us in 2017.

Uhh, they will clear off $31 million (Wilson and Weaver) after 2016. Adding one of the LFers and a solid reliever within the next month will not add anymore than say $23-$25 million AAV. If the LT goes over by $10 million in 2017, that's only $3 million tax, big whoop. And then Hackilton's $25 million AAV (or whatever remaining of it) is finally cleared after 2017. No tax by then

Edited January 5, 2016 by Angel Oracle

[DMVol]

Exactly and people continue to expect Arte to write checks for mega millions to players whom rarely perform to the level of the contract. I'm glad that Arte finally got it but the franchise will be in flux until Eppler reverses the damage.

Trading away our two best pitching prospects wasn't my idea of beginning to reverse the damage...but we'll see....

[Stradling]

Trading away our two best pitching prospects wasn't my idea of beginning to reverse the damage...but we'll see....

Exactly

[gotbeer]

Jokes all on you.  The FA LF he talked to was Joyce.

[Docwaukee]

 

Trading away our two best pitching prospects wasn't my idea of beginning to reverse the damage...but we'll see....

For now that's a wash at least and probably will be for at least the next two years.  Worst case is that Simmons isn't the defensive stud we expect and his bat stays the same.  Best case is that he continues to be the defensive wizard he has been and his bat comes around a bit giving him even more value.  Newcomb and Ellis still have to develop and who knows if that's gonna happen in 2016 or much later.  

 

Even if Newcomb and Ellis turn into studs, you can always trade Simmons for a couple of other stud prospects as he's not even in his prime yet.  

 

It's not like trading for some bloated contract or for a one or two year rental on a player in their 30's.  

 

In other words, it's likely he'll be worth some other team's newcomb and ellis for at least the next 3-4 years.  

[Troll Daddy]

Trading away our two best pitching prospects wasn't my idea of beginning to reverse the damage...but we'll see....

The Angels traded from a position of strength ... not sure why some of you still don't get it.

[Blarg]

Greinke opting out was a Dodgers nightmare ... It was a bust for them.

The Dodgers got their monies worth. The Diamondbacks have probably bought only two good years.

[Docwaukee]

The Angels traded from a position of strength ... not sure why some of you still don't get it.

They traded from a position of surplus. 

[Troll Daddy]

The Dodgers got their monies worth. The Diamondbacks have probably bought only two good years.

No doubt they got there monies worth ... but the opt out clause put a hurt on them. They would have had him for three more years at a discount.

[Troll Daddy]

They traded from a position of surplus.

So you get it ...

[nikkachez]

Give me Denard Span, don't blow over the threshold, keep the draft pick, slide Escobar down to the #2 spot, give Trout two guys to get on base in front of him. I don't think Upton/Cespedes/Gordon is happening. I'd be happy with Span. 

[Ohtaniland]

Exactly

Don't root for Simmons.

[beatlesrule]

I'm assuming Eppler offered the 8 year deal Upton and Ces were seeking but for 24 million total.

[Stradling]

Don't root for Simmons.

Of course I will root for him. Just because he was acquired then they changed course doesn't mean I don't see his value or that I don't like the player.

[UndertheHalo]

still think that the longer those guys go unsigned, the better shot we have at landing one.  Eppler, Arte and the rest of the FO read this market spot on.  

 

Also, it might be stupid of me but Im really hoping for big things out of Simmons.  Why would any Angel fan hope for anything different ?

Edited January 5, 2016 by UndertheHalo

[DMVol]

Trading away our two best pitching prospects wasn't my idea of beginning to reverse the damage...but we'll see....

 

The Angels traded from a position of strength ... not sure why some of you still don't get it.

i think everybody gets it.....we just disagree about the wisdom of the trade....we'll see how it shakes out....

[Jay]

It's almost like all the FO are colluding

[AngelsLakersFan]

 

 

For now that's a wash at least and probably will be for at least the next two years.  Worst case is that Simmons isn't the defensive stud we expect and his bat stays the same.  Best case is that he continues to be the defensive wizard he has been and his bat comes around a bit giving him even more value.  Newcomb and Ellis still have to develop and who knows if that's gonna happen in 2016 or much later.  

 

Even if Newcomb and Ellis turn into studs, you can always trade Simmons for a couple of other stud prospects as he's not even in his prime yet.  

 

It's not like trading for some bloated contract or for a one or two year rental on a player in their 30's.  

 

In other words, it's likely he'll be worth some other team's newcomb and ellis for at least the next 3-4 years.  

 

 

Major league players are depreciable assets. They maintain value for a time, but they are almost always trending down. The market for Simmons could be better next year, but his relative value will almost certainly be less because he will have one less year left on his contract and he will be one year older. 

[bloodbrother]

Well it's certainly refreshing to hear that all parties are still on speaking terms.

[Second Base]

Gordon to the Angels 4 years 65 million.

(Prediction)

[DMVol]

Gordon to the Angels 4 years 65 million.

(Prediction)

Not crazy about giving up the draft pick and about Gordon's age.....but he would be a better deal at that number than Cespedes or Upton somewhere north of 100 million...

[mtangelsfan]

Don't root for Simmons.

 

Please.  Horrible post.

[Docwaukee]

Major league players are depreciable assets. They maintain value for a time, but they are almost always trending down. The market for Simmons could be better next year, but his relative value will almost certainly be less because he will have one less year left on his contract and he will be one year older. 

They are not always depreciating assets.  Their value is multi-factorial.  Sometimes they are on the left side of the value bell curve.  

 

He'll have one less year of control, but he's entering his prime seasons which means his bat has a good chance of improving.  

 

Take Brandon Crawford as an example.  Pretty pedestrian with the bat at age 25, and 26 and then at age 28 he breaks out.  

 

SS in general is very much like C that way.  Guys get brought up because of their defense because it's typically a defensive minded position.  As long as the bat is serviceable, they hang.  Then the offense creeps up and peaks at 27-30.  

 

Aybar, Rollins, Ian Desmond etc.  All with appropriate peaks at the plate.  

 

The risk is more in the guys you sent in the other direction being worth more than anticipated.  But I think the odds are very good we could recoup the initial cost of simmons or very close to it.  

 

This doesn't make me like the trade, because I don't, but there is value there that actually has as good of a chance to actually go up as it does down.  

[Troll Daddy]

Gordon to the Angels 4 years 65 million.

(Prediction)

If that prediction comes true ... then he would certainly be back in KC. Edited January 5, 2016 by Troll Daddy