The spawn of Bundy continues the legacy...

[Glen]

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html

 

 

[mtangelsfan]

the ones occupying the building are idiots. I do hope that the real story behind this doesn't get lost in this though. The family who is being squeezed by the feds don't want anything to do with the circus that is the Bundy's.

There is some real bad shit being done by the feds.

[arch stanton]

The stupid part is calling for people to bring weapons. Giving a perfect excuse to go Waco on them.

[Schildog]

the ones occupying the building are idiots. I do hope that the real story behind this doesn't get lost in this though. The family who is being squeezed by the feds don't want anything to do with the circus that is the Bundy's.

There is some real bad shit being done by the feds.

 

what's happening to the non-bundy family?

[Spirit]

Is this a White Lives Matter protest?

[nate]

what's happening to the non-bundy family?

 

Hammond family... http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-01-01/oregon-ranching-case-sparks-anti-government-sentiment

 

Government overstepping big time.

 

Still, doesn't excuse this group of domestic terrorists taking over a government building.  This is what happens when you put guns in the hands of a bunch of petulant children though.

[Schildog]

bloody hell. is that not double jeopardy? 

[Spirit]

Domestic terrorist like this, or the pro-union folks that took over the Wisconsin Capitol building, need to be locked up. 

[red321]

bloody hell. is that not double jeopardy? 

 

double jeopardy is being charged twice for the same crime...in this case the sentence handed out by the federal judge initially did not meet minimum sentencing guidelines. The US Attorney's office then appealed the sentence which eventually led to it being 5 years, the minimum guideline.

 

Sentencing guidelines in general are stupid.

[mtangelsfan]

The sentence is the crap icing on the vomit cake. It is what the feds are doing to that family that is truly obscene.

[Spirit]

So what's going on here?  Has Vanilla ISIS surrendered yet? 

[BaseballMom]

You mean #Y'allQaeda? 

 

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/yall-qaeda-twitter-users-mock-oregon-right-wing-militia-action-and-its-awesome/

[Spirit]

Thoughts & prayers with all of those federal employees being held hostage inside that building. 

[gotbeer]

Ranchers are gnar.  Don't mess with them.  They take FarmersOnly.com pretty seriously.

[gotbeer]

And I don't get this part:

 

Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires. Cole

The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year.

 

 

Then later:

Federal lawyers prosecuted the Hammonds under an anti-terrorism law that required a five-year minimum sentence, though they have declined to say why.

 

I think I might be on the side of the Waco's.  

[Rico]

 The fire charred just under 140 acres.

 

http://katu.com/news/local/criminal-history-of-the-hammond-familys-arson-conviction

 

Witnesses say Steven Hammond and a hunting party illegally slaughtered deer on federal property in 2001, then started a fire to cover it up. 

The second arson conviction was for starting "back fires" in 2006 to save winter feed, despite a burn ban in effect because of high fire danger.

Arson on federal land carries a 5-year minimum sentence

 

[Crampknees]

So did the BLM come in and kick ranchers off their property and confiscate land to make a refuge?  I just try and understand what part of the Constitution was violated here.

 

I am thinking of going to the golf course today and declaring it mine, cause the Constitution says I can as a patriot.  

[TobiasFunke]

I'm having a hard time seeing how the BLM is in the wrong on anything here?

[nate]

You don't have an issue with the BLM constantly taking away the land they purchased?

[Adam]

These guys are likely stupid hicks but F the Federal Government

[TobiasFunke]

Nate, I don't read anywhere that the government is taking away land that is owned by the family. I'm reading that the government is taking back government land that was allotted as grazing land at one point in time. Is this what you're referring to?

[nate]

They paid for the grazing rights...  It is still messed up.

[red321]

A tad bit of irony when you consider Shay's rebellion and it's impact on the constitution.

[TobiasFunke]

The fact of the matter is they illegally set fire on BLM land two separate times. A jury of their peers found them guilty and the two were required to serve a 5 year sentence. Not sure how the Government is being douchy in this?

[TobiasFunke]

Here's a good write up on the trial of the fires, the lies the family tried to use to cover up the first fire, and the sentencing dispute.

 

 

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison