Nats Sign Daniel Murphy

[Second Base]

They're certainly looking like a drastically improved team.  Murphy probably figures to play 3B while Rendon is at 2B.  It also ended up being a 3-year deal, which is shorter than anticipated due to the dwindling number of suitors.  Since teams generally value a first round pick to be around 5 million dollars, you have to figure the Nats probably got him at a bit of a discount due to free agent compensation. 

 

That leaves Howie left on the board.  A two-year, low cost deal is appearing more likely for Howie, given that he's a year older that Murphy, his defensive value took a hit last season and he has a compensation pick attached to his name.  I'm not saying we need to bring him back, but I am saying that whoever signs him, is probably going to get him for a lot less than anticipated.

[laagamer]

[floplag]

more interestingly is whether or not he sets the market for others at this point.
3@12-13 per with draft pick attached... interesting 

[gurn67]

His worst OPS in the last 6 seasons was .733. Would have been a nice consistent left handed bat to put in this lineup.

[Halos of Anaheim]

His worst OPS in the last 6 seasons was .733. Would have been a nice consistent left handed bat to put in this lineup.

 

Ha, that's cute.

[nate]

I expected a lot more for him.  Might be a good sign for the Angels with one of the OFers.

[Second Base]

If Murph got 3 years at 13-14 million a year, I figure Howie will get 2 years at 11-12.

Perhaps he'll be the first sign and trade. I've been waiting for that to happen.

[Second Base]

For those that are wondering, a sign and trade would involve a team with a protected pick signing Kendrick (they wouldn't lose their pick, because it's protected) and then trading the player to another team for an expectedly decent but not earth shattering return. Everybody benefits.

[wopphil]

Is that allowed Scotty? And wouldn't the signing team lose their second round pick and some of their draft pool?

[wopphil]

If the signing team loses its second round pick, it would be an upper second round pick, which would seem to me to hold decent value. I am guessing a sign and trade would require giving up a pretty good prospect.

[halosfan1970]

Is that allowed Scotty? And wouldn't the signing team lose their second round pick and some of their draft pool?

 

As long as the player consents it is permissible. The player would need to negotiate the contract and the teams would need to negotiate the trade pieces. Allowable under the CBA.

 

There shouldn't be any draft pick lost.

Edited December 25, 2015 by halosfan1970

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Forfeiting a draft pick is going to be a big deal for most teams that might sign Howie. Someone mentioned a sign-and-trade with the Dodgers, but I don't know why the Dodgers would do that just to benefit another team. More than likely they had rather have a first round pick that the minor leaguer that they would be likely to get in return in a sign and trade.

[ELEVEN]

So if we offered Taylor Ward, we'd get to keep our pick... got it.

[Ohtaniland]

If Murph got 3 years at 13-14 million a year, I figure Howie will get 2 years at 11-12.

Perhaps he'll be the first sign and trade. I've been waiting for that to happen.

Howie is only 32 and he's never really cashed in on a big $$$ contract. He's only made like $38M lifetime so I'm pretty sure that he thinks he deserves more. He might be asking for way to much like 4/60 to finish off his career. Edited December 25, 2015 by CALZONE

[Erstad Grit]

I was a little surprised HK didn't accept the QO

[halosfan1970]

Forfeiting a draft pick is going to be a big deal for most teams that might sign Howie. Someone mentioned a sign-and-trade with the Dodgers, but I don't know why the Dodgers would do that just to benefit another team. More than likely they had rather have a first round pick that the minor leaguer that they would be likely to get in return in a sign and trade.

 

It's not in the Dodger's interest to do it this early, but in a scenario like Morales two years ago, they would be better off getting something of value rather than nothing. I don't see a sign and trade happening unless a player with a QO is still unsigned in February.

[AngelsLakersFan]

As long as the player consents it is permissible. The player would need to negotiate the contract and the teams would need to negotiate the trade pieces. Allowable under the CBA.

 

There shouldn't be any draft pick lost.

 

Since when is it allowable?

 

It has definitely been illegal before, and no team / player has done it before.

[Revad]

Maybe consider it for Freese? Sign and trade for a reliever?

[marcosantinia12]

Maybe consider it for Freese? Sign and trade for a reliever?

Freeze didn't get a QO so he doesn't have a pick attached. It defeats the purpose of the trade for the receiving team.

[halosfan1970]

Since when is it allowable?

 

It has definitely been illegal before, and no team / player has done it before.

 

The CBA prevents the trade of a free agent signee prior to June 15th unless the player consents, in writing, to the transaction. So if the player negotiates the contract with the acquiring team and gives the written consent to the trade, a sign and trade would not violate the CBA. It hasn't been done to date, but that doesn't make it impermissible. The player and both teams would have to come to agreement. It seems possible but unlikely.

[CaliAngel]

I remember this board had a huge boner for this guy for about a week during the playoffs...

...and yes, I'll admit, I was one of them...

[wopphil]

What do you mean "had"? Mine is still raging.

Edited December 27, 2015 by wopphil

[OregonLAA]

Very happy we didn't get him. He's a prick. His defense is freaking awful. And he's not worth the draft pick

[nmh]

I was a little surprised HK didn't accept the QO

I was shocked he didn't take it after missing a month during the season. To upgrade from 9.5 to 15.8 vs going on the free market with a first rounder attached. Really interested to see what he winds up getting.

[Angel Oracle]

The OLD Arte would have jumped all over "One great week" Murphy.

Thank you for refraining this time