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[Thomas]

1 minute ago, nate said:

 

@Thomas You're obviously right. You always are. So watch me deflect.

Noted.

[nate]

3 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Noted.

Nope.

We lost some soldiers, and we took the entire region in a matter of weeks in a massive show of force 5k miles away and they had access to much more powerful weapons than in the US.  There is no AA, there is no airforce, no matter how weak to stop them here.  The military could bomb and airstrike any civilian defense in a matter of moments.

What is stopping it from happening is that our military wouldn't carry out such an attack on Americans.  Morally they could not accept it.

Although, MAGA is pretty cult like, that could be changing.

There is also a fallacy that Americans are more disturbed or violent than other first world countries but that simply isn't true.  The other countries have similar violent crime rates but much lower murder rates because it is more difficult for them to murder.

Edited February 16, 2018 by nate

[Thomas]

1 minute ago, nate said:

Nope.

We lost some soldiers, and we took the entire region in a matter of weeks in a massive show of force 5k miles away and they had access to much more powerful weapons than in the US.  There is no AA, there is no airforce, no matter how weak to stop them here.  The military could bomb and airstrike any civilian defense in a matter of moments.

You sound like a Military PR release from 1965. Ask the VietCong how effective this was. The Taliban. What you describe when fighting an insurgency isn't just ineffective and immoral, it's counterproductive. Let alone when its your own infrastructure you're destroying in a demonstration of penis size. It diminishes whatever public support you do have. They eventually weary of being in a war zone. And while the current benevolence of the US military is admirable, it isn't necessarily static. Who gets to be in the military is ultimately determined by the government. 

[nate]

Exactly.

The threat of some rednecks with guns is not what stops it from happening.

Also, the Vietnam jungle and the caves of Afghanistan are unfamiliar to the US.

There is not one inch of this country that we don't know intimately.

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[Thomas]

1 minute ago, nate said:

Exactly.

The threat of some rednecks with guns is not what stops it from happening.

So because we have multiple ways of stopping it now, it some how diminishes the effect of one of these methods. The logic you employ is impeccable. 

4 minutes ago, nate said:

\Also, the Vietnam jungle and the caves of Afghanistan are unfamiliar to the US.

There is not one inch of this country that we don't know intimately.

Because the South Vietnamese geography was more a challenge to the US Military with ARVN support than the North Vietnamese and their VietCong support?
Because at this point, almost two decades in, the only thing holding back the American effort in Afghanistan is a lack of knowledge in geography?

If it would help your arguments, I can ask Adam or someone to ship you a double double or something.

 

[nate]

1 minute ago, Thomas said:

So because we have multiple ways of stopping it now, it some how diminishes the effect of one of these methods. The logic you employ is impeccable. 

 

It completely diminishes it.  The threat of innocent lives being lost and attacking other Americans is what stops it.  Them being armed has no impact at all.

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Because the South Vietnamese geography was more a challenge to the US Military with ARVN support than the North Vietnamese and their VietCong support?
Because at this point, almost two decades in, the only thing holding back the American effort in Afghanistan is a lack of knowledge in geography?

If it would help your arguments, I can ask Adam or someone to ship you a double double or something.

Same as above, also the political impact of sending more troops and the cost.

Let me ask you, because of your personal experience and background, do you not think it is akin to using axes, bows and arrows against muskets and canon?

[Blarg]

12 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Terrible color choice for the text on that meme.

That's the problem with letting the gay left make important decisions. 

[Thomas]

11 minutes ago, nate said:

It completely diminishes it. The threat of innocent lives being lost and attacking other Americans is what stops it. 

That hasn't exactly been 100% effective in the course of American or any other human history. Let alone if you aren't white. And the current US government leadership isn't exactly excelling in goodwill to men. The term fascism seems to come up. A lot. 

11 minutes ago, nate said:

Them being armed has no impact at all.

Let me ask you, because of your personal experience and background, do you not think it is akin to using axes, bows and arrows against muskets and canon?

A million Chinese soldiers, many only armed with pitch forks, was pretty darn effective against an American military force. 10 million citizens armed would give any authority reason to pause. And that's assuming the unlikely scenario where it's the US military united against an armed citizenry. It would mostly likely instead turn into a civil war, as they are wont to do. Where an armed populace is even more influential in the outcome.

 

[nate]

You are assuming that 10 million citizens would band together

[Thomas]

Just now, nate said:

You are assuming that 10 million citizens would band together

Judging by social media, we're well on our way. Unless the trend somehow stops it seems almost inevitable, perhaps in our lifetime. Every time someone makes an us vs them statement, we inch ever closer.

[nate]

Much easier to talk behind a keyboard than actually take up arms.

Not to mention how divided everyone is.  I doubt many in the south would raise their hands if CA was under attack.

[Thomas]

2 minutes ago, nate said:

Much easier to talk behind a keyboard than actually take up arms.

Again human history seems to contradict this assessment.  The threshold to take up arms has never been an issue.

2 minutes ago, nate said:

 I doubt many in the south would raise their hands if CA was under attack.

They'd be there by the busload if it was Mexico invading. 

[arch stanton]

53 minutes ago, nate said:

Exactly.

The threat of some rednecks with guns is not what stops it from happening.

Also, the Vietnam jungle and the caves of Afghanistan are unfamiliar to the US.

There is not one inch of this country that we don't know intimately.

How confident are you, that if told to go out and take the guns away from the locals who had never committed a crime and were not going to give them up peacefully, that any given law enforcement agency would be willing to do it?

[nate]

More confident than I am that keeping the guns on the street is helping lower the rate of murder in this country.

Because it is hard should not be a reason not to progress.

[Thomas]

Just now, calscuf said:

It would only take 6 minivans to transport the entire mexican army across the border. 

Minivans? You've been around Blarg too much.

[mtangelsfan]

2 hours ago, nate said:

I find it funny that any of you think our military or law enforcement is in any way weary of a bunch of red necks with AR15s.

Tell that to Randy Weaver and the Davidians 

[nate]

5 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Tell that to Randy Weaver and the Davidians 

Those are terrorists with hostages.

[mtangelsfan]

1 minute ago, nate said:

Those are terrorists with hostages.

LOL

laughable but if it were true then the Feds are really good at killing hostages

[nate]

As soon as the first raid was unsuccessful they should have just airstriked the whole place.

[Thomas]

Just now, nate said:

As soon as the first raid was unsuccessful they should have just airstriked the whole place.

It's like the US government abducted Nate in the middle of the night and replaced part of his brain with that of a 1964 DoD press writer.

[nate]

It is like you and MT think that due process doesn't matter and armed resistance is a reasonable reaction to being arrested and served a search warrant.

[nate]

 

[Thomas]

Just now, nate said:

It is like you and MT think that due process doesn't matter and armed resistance is a reasonable reaction to being arrested and served a search warrant.

Due process?

4 minutes ago, nate said:

As soon as the first raid was unsuccessful they should have just airstriked the whole place.

 

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, calscuf said:

I’m pretty sure the gay left knows color coordination better than the red neck right.

It was red who posted the meme, so, no.