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[Jason]

25 minutes ago, Glen said:

Do you have to work to be able to vote?

No. I don't think they revoke your right to vote when someone is in between jobs.

[Glen]

So you have to be in between jobs to vote if you're unemployed. Got it. 

Can you point out to me where it says that in writing?

[Jason]

Just now, Glen said:

So you have to be in between jobs to vote if you're unemployed. Got it. 

Can you point out to me where it says that in writing?

You asked if a person has to work to vote. I said no. Proof of employment is not and should not be required when you go to the polling place. If a person loses/quits their job they DO NOT lose their right. 

[Glen]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

 If a person loses/quits their job they DO NOT lose their right. 

This seems to imply that a person has to have had a job to vote.

[mtangelsfan]

3 minutes ago, Glen said:

This seems to imply that a person has to have had a job to vote.

Are you parsing just for the fun of it or are you really not understanding his statements?

I pick number one

[Glen]

8 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Are you parsing just for the fun of it or are you really not understanding his statements?

I pick number one

 

[Spirit]

15 minutes ago, Glen said:

This seems to imply that a person has to have had a job to vote.

 

For the record, I have no problem with housewives voting.

 

 

[red321]

 In his wallet, Anthony Settles carries an expired Texas identification card, his Social Security card and an old student ID from the University of Houston, where he studied math and physics decades ago. What he does not have is the one thing that he needs to vote this presidential election: a current Texas photo ID.

For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.

They have a word for what that used to be called...poll tax

Hargie Randall, 72, was born in his family’s home in Huntsville, Tex., and has lived in the state his entire life. Randall, now living in Houston’s low-income Fifth Ward neighborhood, has several health problems and such poor eyesight that he is legally blind. He can’t drive and has to ask others for rides.

After Texas implemented its new law, Randall went to the Department of Public Safety (the Texas agency that handles driver’s licenses and identification cards) three times to try to get a photo ID to vote. Each time Randall was told he needed different items. First, he was told he needed three forms of identification. He came back and brought his Medicaid card, bills and a current voter registration card from voting in past elections.

“I thought that because I was on record for voting, I could vote again,” Randall said.

But he was told he still needed more documentation, such as a certified copy of his birth certificate.

Records of births before 1950, such as Randall’s, are not on a central computer and are located only in the county clerk’s office where the person was born.

For Randall, that meant an hour-long drive to Huntsville, where his lawyers found a copy of his birth certificate.

But that wasn’t enough. With his birth certificate in hand, Randall went to the DPS office in Houston with all the necessary documents. But, DPS officials still would not issue him a photo ID because of a clerical mistake on his birth certificate. One letter was off in his last name — “Randell” instead of “Randall” — so his last name was spelled slightly different than on all his other documents.

Kamin, the lawyer, asked the DPS official if they could pull up Randall’s prior driver’s-license information, as he once had a state-issued ID. The official told her that the state doesn’t keep records of prior identification after five years, and there was nothing they could do to pull up that information.

Kamin was finally able to prove to a DPS supervisor that there was a clerical error and was able to verify Randall’s identity by showing other documents.

.....

Myrtle Delahuerta, 85, who lives across town from Randall, has tried unsuccessfully for two years to get her ID. She has the same problem of her birth certificate not matching her pile of other legal documents that she carts from one government office to the next. The disabled woman, who has difficulty walking, is applying to have her name legally changed, a process that will cost her more than $300 and has required a background check and several trips to government offices.

 

 

[red321]

After filling out a series of forms at Milwaukee’s DMV and posing for a picture, Barksdale was able to obtain a state ID he can use to vote on Tuesday. Helem was not, because she did not have a copy of her birth certificate. Though she presented her Social Security card, proof of residence, and Illinois State ID, the DMV staff said it would take them at least three weeks to find and verify her birth certificate.

....

When Thelma Mitchell, a retired state employee, learned that her old employee ID (which was issued by the state and included her photo) wouldn't meet Tennessee's new voter ID law, she went to a motor vehicle office to obtain a valid photo ID. The agency asked her for a birth certificate, but she didn't have one and was denied her request for a new ID.

Mitchell, 93, has never had a birth certificate. She wasn't born in a hospital and was delivered by a midwife, in Alabama in 1918. Birth certificates, particularly for African-Americans in the South, weren't regularly generated at the time. As a result, Mitchell may not be able to vote this year for the first time in decades.

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At age 96, Florence Hessing is disabled, rarely leaves her home and votes by absentee ballot. She has a driver's license that expired a few years ago. She wrote to the state asking the requirements for obtaining a new photo ID under the state's recently enacted voter ID law. The response she received outlined the requirements and included a $28 fee — which angered Hessing because she expected the ID to be free.

Hessing first had to come up with a birth certificate. She wrote to Iowa, where she was born, but the state had no official record.

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Like Hessing and Mitchell, Frank, 84, was denied in her application for a new voter ID because she lacked a birth certificate. She was born in Wisconsin, has lived in the same home for 83 years and never had need of the document.

"After I was married, we made several trips into Canada. I used my baptismal certificate to cross all the time," Frank said. "That's all I ever needed."

She called her county's registrar of deeds, to no avail. The state's vital records office managed to find her birth certificate, but there were other problems — both her parents' names were misspelled, rendering the document invalid.

"In order to get it corrected, I'd have to amend it. And it would cost $200," Frank said. 

[mtangelsfan]

14 minutes ago, red321 said:

 In his wallet, Anthony Settles carries an expired Texas identification card, his Social Security card and an old student ID from the University of Houston, where he studied math and physics decades ago. What he does not have is the one thing that he needs to vote this presidential election: a current Texas photo ID.

For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.

They have a word for what that used to be called...poll tax

Hargie Randall, 72, was born in his family’s home in Huntsville, Tex., and has lived in the state his entire life. Randall, now living in Houston’s low-income Fifth Ward neighborhood, has several health problems and such poor eyesight that he is legally blind. He can’t drive and has to ask others for rides.

After Texas implemented its new law, Randall went to the Department of Public Safety (the Texas agency that handles driver’s licenses and identification cards) three times to try to get a photo ID to vote. Each time Randall was told he needed different items. First, he was told he needed three forms of identification. He came back and brought his Medicaid card, bills and a current voter registration card from voting in past elections.

“I thought that because I was on record for voting, I could vote again,” Randall said.

But he was told he still needed more documentation, such as a certified copy of his birth certificate.

Records of births before 1950, such as Randall’s, are not on a central computer and are located only in the county clerk’s office where the person was born.

For Randall, that meant an hour-long drive to Huntsville, where his lawyers found a copy of his birth certificate.

But that wasn’t enough. With his birth certificate in hand, Randall went to the DPS office in Houston with all the necessary documents. But, DPS officials still would not issue him a photo ID because of a clerical mistake on his birth certificate. One letter was off in his last name — “Randell” instead of “Randall” — so his last name was spelled slightly different than on all his other documents.

Kamin, the lawyer, asked the DPS official if they could pull up Randall’s prior driver’s-license information, as he once had a state-issued ID. The official told her that the state doesn’t keep records of prior identification after five years, and there was nothing they could do to pull up that information.

Kamin was finally able to prove to a DPS supervisor that there was a clerical error and was able to verify Randall’s identity by showing other documents.

.....

Myrtle Delahuerta, 85, who lives across town from Randall, has tried unsuccessfully for two years to get her ID. She has the same problem of her birth certificate not matching her pile of other legal documents that she carts from one government office to the next. The disabled woman, who has difficulty walking, is applying to have her name legally changed, a process that will cost her more than $300 and has required a background check and several trips to government offices.

 

 

That is stupid.  Like I have argued, the process for getting an ID should be streamlined.  That is just bureaucratic bs.

[mtangelsfan]

19 minutes ago, Glen said:

 

um, ok.

[red321]

I think this is my favorite anecdote...

Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays.

 

This was also the case in 2016 apparently

[nate]

10 minutes ago, red321 said:

I think this is my favorite anecdote...

Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays.

 

This was also the case in 2016 apparently

I usually go to the Saukville DMV because there is never a wait.  They are only open three days a week though and close early on one of them.

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Glen said:

Do you have to work to be able to vote?

 

1 hour ago, mtangelsfan said:

Well if you aren't working you sure and hell have enough time to spend in getting an id.  And one of the biggest complaints I've heard is that folks can't take time off of work to do the work needed to get that id.

[Adam]

voting is gay

[Blarg]

52 minutes ago, red321 said:

I think this is my favorite anecdote...

Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays.

 

This was also the case in 2016 apparently

 

41 minutes ago, nate said:

I usually go to the Saukville DMV because there is never a wait.  They are only open three days a week though and close early on one of them.

[nate]

FYI Sauk City and Saukville are two very different places.

Geographically at least.

[Amazing Larry]

21 minutes ago, nate said:

FYI Sauk City and Saukville are two very different places.

Geographically at least.

Sauk City has been the go to for OC mexicans ever since they closed down Wild Rivers.

[red321]

23 minutes ago, Blarg said:

 

 

22 minutes ago, nate said:

FYI Sauk City and Saukville are two very different places.

Geographically at least.

[Blarg]

Red, you've posted examples that the people ended up getting their ID card in most cases because they did what they had to, get the paperwork in order rather than cry on the curb it's too hard. And your examples are .0000000000001% of the population. 

BTW I had to get my driver's license renewed, it expires in January. I went to the DMV online and clicked on renewal, filled out the form and paid online. It should show up any day now. It was a whole 8 minutes of time. Sooo difficult but I managed to get it done so I can vote in the 2017 elections. 

[Glen]

So that's how it is for everyone. Got it.

[Amazing Larry]

You want illegals to be able to vote so more democrats are elected. Got it.

[Glen]

Your extrapolation skills are terrible.  I want anybody who is eligible to vote to be able to vote, and I don't think there should be impediments to voting.

[mtangelsfan]

14 minutes ago, Glen said:

So that's how it is for everyone. Got it.

What is your solution Glen.  So far all you've done is shoot down everything.  I remember when you said you were not opposed to requiring ID's to vote.  Have you changed your position?

[red321]

20 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Red, you've posted examples that the people ended up getting their ID card in most cases because they did what they had to, get the paperwork in order rather than cry on the curb it's too hard. And your examples are .0000000000001% of the population. 

BTW I had to get my driver's license renewed, it expires in January. I went to the DMV online and clicked on renewal, filled out the form and paid online. It should show up any day now. It was a whole 8 minutes of time. Sooo difficult but I managed to get it done so I can vote in the 2017 elections. 

Funny...the person who posts an anecdote showing how easy it was for him or his co-worker complains that using anecdotes as proof is wrong.

If everyone was able to do it the way you were able to do it, without having to pay a poll tax (having to pay money, including upwards of hundreds of dollars, to get the appropriate ID is akin to a poll tax), I might be more open to Voter ID laws...of which no substantive evidence has been provided actually accomplish anything.

Fact is the estimate is hundreds of thousands, to millions, of people have an issue getting an ID.

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs.

Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html?utm_term=.00f0d323a10b