22-23 since Jerry quit.

[nando714]

I want to believe this team still has a run in them to make the playoffs.

[full circle]

Dipoto put a wrench into our offense this off season. I put most of the blame on him. I truly believe it's Scioscia that's keeping this team in the hunt.

I would be shocked if the team made the playoffs. I'll hope for the best.

God dang your and idoit.

What did he do? Trade Kendrick? We desperately needed young starting pitching and he traded a decent player with one year of control left for a young pitcher with six and freed up payroll in the process. Good trade.

Release Hamilton? That was all Arturo Moreno.

Trade for Joyce? That move got ****ed the second Hamilton snorted coke up his nose. It created a chain reaction that threw everyone out of place.

The situation is the way it is because of one person, Moreno.

[full circle]

Pretty much all you need to know is in that cbs article above from two years ago. I'm willing to bet dipoto quit more because of Moreno than scioscia. I'm completely done with this owner, which sucks cause I used to be a big fan. He's done a 180 since he first took over.

[Blarg]

Trade for Joyce? That move got ****ed the second Hamilton snorted coke up his nose. It created a chain reaction that threw everyone out of place.

The situation is the way it is because of one person, Moreno.

Somehow in your head this makes sense?

[full circle]

Um yes, it does notti. Joyce wasn't supposed to be the everyday left fielder or hit in the middle of the order. I absolutely think that may have something to do with his struggles this year. Maybe you just don't understand the mental aspect of the game, probably because you never played it. You think he should just perform to his career averages because he's supposed to.

[Troll Daddy]

God dang your and idoit.

What did he do? Trade Kendrick? We desperately needed young starting pitching and he traded a decent player with one year of control left for a young pitcher with six and freed up payroll in the process. Good trade.

Release Hamilton? That was all Arturo Moreno.

Trade for Joyce? That move got ****ed the second Hamilton snorted coke up his nose. It created a chain reaction that threw everyone out of place.

The situation is the way it is because of one person, Moreno.

I've haven't been a Moreno fan for a few years now. I'm still a Scioscia fan but not opposed to a change. If trout wants Scioscia to stay then there's your answer.

I'm not blaming Hamilton on Dipoto but I think he did a shitty job of handling the whole situation. I personally believe this team would be better with Hamilton on the roster.

Trading Howie & Conger also hurt the offense. Yes we got two cost controlled pitchers but the offense took another hit.

Offensively we struggled in the playoffs ... so the the problem became more problematic by not addressing the needs.

Edited August 17, 2015 by Troll Daddy

[Chuck]

Here's something else I'll add to this conversation, without going into a bunch of details. 

 

I spoke to a person close to the team when I was down in California a week ago and when I asked about Dipoto and how that all went down, the answer I got was basically this. 

 

Dipoto uncharacteristically stormed into the Angels clubhouse, yelled and blasted the players and coaching staff, mostly the players. I can't get into the details, but because Dipoto was not backed by his actions & words and because he pissed the players off and he felt bad about the way he acted, he decided it was in his best interest to resign. Dipoto was frustrated by a lot of things, but one of them was mostly the lack of production on the field.

 

One thing I will say about Dipoto is the man really wanted to win and he looked at the players in the clubhouse as his responsibility, not Scioscia's, not Arte's. He had a passion for this org and the team's success. He let it get to him one day. There's other things too, like the Josh thing, but mostly due to the fact that he didn't have the players respect or ear. 

[Tyler]

And 

 

BOOM.

[Troll Daddy]

Things just got interesting.

[full circle]

I've haven't been a Moreno fan for a few years now. I'm still a Scioscia fan but not opposed to a change. If trout wants Scioscia to stay then there's your answer.

I'm not blaming Hamilton on Dipoto but I think he did a shitty job of handling the whole situation. I personally believe this team would be better with Hamilton on the roster.

Trading Howie & Conger also hurt the offense. Yes we got two cost controlled pitchers but the offense took another hit.

Offensively we struggled in the playoffs ... so the the problem became more problematic by not addressing the needs.

You didn't really state anything here that backs up your statement that Dipoto screwed the offense.

I agree with you that as shitty as Hamilton was, we would have gotten more out of LF with him here than not here. But if you think it was Dipoto that handled that situation poorly, I couldn't disagree more. Id be willing to bet Dipoto was just doing Arte's dirty work in regards to not only the decision to trade Josh, but also the statement released by Dipoto on behalf of the team. Remember, josh has gone on record saying he tried to reach out to Moreno personally and was never allowed to speak to him, Obviously because Arte refused to take his call. Jerry had to be the middle man in Artes childish game. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if this played a bigger role than we think for why Jerry quit.

[full circle]

Here's something else I'll add to this conversation, without going into a bunch of details.

I spoke to a person close to the team when I was down in California a week ago and when I asked about Dipoto and how that all went down, the answer I got was basically this.

Dipoto uncharacteristically stormed into the Angels clubhouse, yelled and blasted the players and coaching staff, mostly the players. I can't get into the details, but because Dipoto was not backed by his actions & words and because he pissed the players off and he felt bad about the way he acted, he decided it was in his best interest to resign. Dipoto was frustrated by a lot of things, but one of them was mostly the lack of production on the field.

One thing I will say about Dipoto is the man really wanted to win and he looked at the players in the clubhouse as his responsibility, not Scioscia's, not Arte's. He had a passion for this org and the team's success. He let it get to him one day. There's other things too, like the Josh thing, but mostly due to the fact that he didn't have the players respect or ear.

Not sure how much credence to give this, but interesting nonetheless. It's obviously very understandable why he would be upset, I'd think the players would get it and a simple apology and calmer communication could have smoothed things over and perhaps earned him even more respect. If things indeed went down that way and he resigned because he felt bad or guilty, then I'd be very disappointed. That's not how to be a leader.

[Guest]

And 

 

BOOM.

 

This disagrees somewhat with the narrative I've been parroting for quite some time 

[Blarg]

You didn't really state anything here that backs up your statement that Dipoto screwed the offense.

I agree with you that as shitty as Hamilton was, we would have gotten more out of LF with him here than not here. But if you think it was Dipoto that handled that situation poorly, I couldn't disagree more. Id be willing to bet Dipoto was just doing Arte's dirty work in regards to not only the decision to trade Josh, but also the statement released by Dipoto on behalf of the team. Remember, josh has gone on record saying he tried to reach out to Moreno personally and was never allowed to speak to him, Obviously because Arte refused to take his call. Jerry had to be the middle man in Artes childish game. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if this played a bigger role than we think for why Jerry quit.

 

Obviously you just won't listen to what Chuck is telling you.

[full circle]

Read on

[stormngt]

Maybe that is the real reason he resigned. Maybe Arte interfered too much with what JD wanted to do. Pujols, Hamilton, getting rid of Hamilton....

That theory makes a lot more sense in the mid season resignation than not getting along with Scioscia.

We'll never know the full story....but if he tried to stop Arte in either case, he didn't try hard enough....

[stormngt]

So the Hamilton disaster was on on JD?

Well Chuck heard straight from Dipoto that Arte never made him do anything, for what that's worth. Chuck mentioned that in direct connection with the Albert and Josh signings.

[stormngt]

JD would be more honest to Chuck than mainstream media.

Obviously I don't know the context of the conversations Chuck had with Jerry, but Chuck felt strong enough to post it here as fact.

[tdawg87]

Here's something else I'll add to this conversation, without going into a bunch of details. 

 

I spoke to a person close to the team when I was down in California a week ago and when I asked about Dipoto and how that all went down, the answer I got was basically this. 

 

Dipoto uncharacteristically stormed into the Angels clubhouse, yelled and blasted the players and coaching staff, mostly the players. I can't get into the details, but because Dipoto was not backed by his actions & words and because he pissed the players off and he felt bad about the way he acted, he decided it was in his best interest to resign. Dipoto was frustrated by a lot of things, but one of them was mostly the lack of production on the field.

 

One thing I will say about Dipoto is the man really wanted to win and he looked at the players in the clubhouse as his responsibility, not Scioscia's, not Arte's. He had a passion for this org and the team's success. He let it get to him one day. There's other things too, like the Josh thing, but mostly due to the fact that he didn't have the players respect or ear. 

 

So someone came in and held the players accountable, and they got pissed about it....

 

That isn't a good sign.

[AngelsLakersFan]

It would've been a mistake to go into the clubhouse and act like that, but that is not something that should lead to you quitting. I think we've all had bad days at work, you clear the air, apologize and move on. No one should be quoting because they felt bad about hurting feelings.

[tennischmp]

So someone came in and held the players accountable, and they got pissed about it....

 

That isn't a good sign.

At least Scioscia holds them accountable

Edited August 18, 2015 by tennischmp

[YouthofToday]

Blame an owner who micromanaged major decisions, trusted the wrong people and failed to have a coherent organizational philosophy other than feel and sign for veterans past their primes.

[YouthofToday]

Here's something else I'll add to this conversation, without going into a bunch of details.

I spoke to a person close to the team when I was down in California a week ago and when I asked about Dipoto and how that all went down, the answer I got was basically this.

Dipoto uncharacteristically stormed into the Angels clubhouse, yelled and blasted the players and coaching staff, mostly the players. I can't get into the details, but because Dipoto was not backed by his actions & words and because he pissed the players off and he felt bad about the way he acted, he decided it was in his best interest to resign. Dipoto was frustrated by a lot of things, but one of them was mostly the lack of production on the field.

One thing I will say about Dipoto is the man really wanted to win and he looked at the players in the clubhouse as his responsibility, not Scioscia's, not Arte's. He had a passion for this org and the team's success. He let it get to him one day. There's other things too, like the Josh thing, but mostly due to the fact that he didn't have the players respect or ear.

Good thing none of these players played for Steinbrenner. This explanation doesn't really make sense. Players can't be that insecure. So Jerry lost his cool one day. Big deal.

Apologize and move on.

[Blarg]

He didn't but still moved on.

[full circle]

He didn't but still moved on.

Boy you're not hard to convince.

[tdawg87]

annnnnd storm created another blog entry in this thread.

 

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