18 Kids, 1 Child Molester, and Counting.

[the dude abides]

geez people, it was a joke.  Kind of like cals posts about anyone he disagrees with on specific issues have small units.

Fair enough. I hereby retract the "dafuq" comment.

[red321]

From Jim Duggar's old 2002 senate campaign website...

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20030210014933/http://www.jimbob.info/position.html

 

Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes. 

[halobob]

In an episode in 2008 Josh Duggar makes a joke about incest, there is a bit of truth in every joke, just sayin.  Looking back knowing what we know now Josh joking in this manner is just awful.  Guy is sick.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/25/josh-duggar-incest-joke_n_7435668.html

 

 

From Jim Duggar's old 2002 senate campaign website...

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20030210014933/http://www.jimbob.info/position.html

 

Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes. 

Apparently they are only capital crimes if someone unrelated to you commits them.  

[nate]

Man the Christian brigade in rare form in this thread.

 

This kid molested several of the other children in the family and when the parents found out they hid it for a year, then told a friend that happens to now be in jail for child porn instead of the actual authorities, then sent him to some Jesus camp to "cure" him.  He should actually be in jail and registered as a child molester for the rest of his life.

 

What he did is reprehensible but also what the parents did is.  This kid molested young kids in their family and they kept him around and blamed the devil.  They should be in jail for aiding in child molestation and have all their children taken away.

[mtangelsfan]

lol

[Mark68]

At 15, he should have known right from wrong. He should have known that molesting/having incetuous relationships is most definitely wrong. I mean, he grew up in a family that was always talking about "right and wrong", so to excuse his actions as somewhat of a "youthful indiscretion" is reprehensible.

 

Then, as in most cases, the cover-up is worse than the crime.

 

The judicial process not doing anything proves that justice is not blind...as long as you think the "right" way and have the "right" connections, all is forgiven, or at least swept under the rug.

 

Some people who call themselves "Christians" are as morally bankrupt as the people they are constantly pointing their fingers at. "Holier than thou", indeed.

 

And why the hell did this family become famous anyway? Because they thought that having 19 children is somehow merit-worthy enough to get a reality show?

 

I find it interesting that Josh, who molested siblings and at least one other person as a teenager, channeled his energy into becoming Executive Director of a group that accuses an identifiable group of exhibiting the exact same behavior, with no verifiable proof of said group exhibiting said behavior.

[mtangelsfan]

At 15, he should have known right from wrong. He should have known that molesting/having incetuous relationships is most definitely wrong. I mean, he grew up in a family that was always talking about "right and wrong", so to excuse his actions as somewhat of a "youthful indiscretion" is reprehensible.

 

Then, as in most cases, the cover-up is worse than the crime.

 

The judicial process not doing anything proves that justice is not blind...as long as you think the "right" way and have the "right" connections, all is forgiven, or at least swept under the rug.

 

Some people who call themselves "Christians" are as morally bankrupt as the people they are constantly pointing their fingers at. "Holier than thou", indeed.

 

And why the hell did this family become famous anyway? Because they thought that having 19 children is somehow merit-worthy enough to get a reality show?

 

I find it interesting that Josh, who molested siblings and at least one other person as a teenager, channeled his energy into becoming Executive Director of a group that accuses an identifiable group of exhibiting the exact same behavior, with no verifiable proof of said group exhibiting said behavior.

and thanks again for proving the point that this is all about politics and religion.  Most of you libs/atheists wouldn't give a crap about this story if it wasn't about a know conservative christian family.

 

By the way, I don't think anyone in this thread has argued that the cover up was a good thing, or should be excused. 

[Mark68]

and thanks again for proving the point that this is all about politics and religion.  Most of you libs/atheists wouldn't give a crap about this story if it wasn't about a know conservative christian family.

 

By the way, I don't think anyone in this thread has argued that the cover up was a good thing, or should be excused. 

Holy assumptions, Batman!

 

Anybody who is a child molester is persona non grata as far as I'm concerned.

 

But I do find it to be interesting that so many "Christians" forget their Matthew 7:1: "Judge not, that ye be not judged".

[halobob]

Mt, it's not all about politics and religion for most of us (for you it clearly is, why else would you defend a child diddler).  Yes it plays some role because as Mark said he accuses a certain group of people of exhibiting the same awful behavior that he himself has already committed.  Can you really not see the irony in that?  The thing I care about is Josh got away with molesting his little sisters and another girl with the aid of his parents and a friend of theirs.  None of them received a punishment for this and are just now beginning to with all of this coming out 12 years later.  Furthermore, throughout all of this I have not seen anything that says weather or not the victims received counseling or help of any kind.  I sure hope they did indeed get the proper counseling they would need after a traumatic event happens.  

[mtangelsfan]

Holy assumptions, Batman!

 

Anybody who is a child molester is persona non grata as far as I'm concerned.

 

But I do find it to be interesting that so many "Christians" forget their Matthew 7:1: "Judge not, that ye be not judged".

 

Who's doing the judging in this thread?

[mtangelsfan]

Mt, it's not all about politics and religion for most of us (for you it clearly is, why else would you defend a child diddler).  Yes it plays some role because as Mark said he accuses a certain group of people of exhibiting the same awful behavior that he himself has already committed.  Can you really not see the irony in that?  The thing I care about is Josh got away with molesting his little sisters and another girl with the aid of his parents and a friend of theirs.  None of them received a punishment for this and are just now beginning to with all of this coming out 12 years later.  Furthermore, throughout all of this I have not seen anything that says weather or not the victims received counseling or help of any kind.  I sure hope they did indeed get the proper counseling they would need after a traumatic event happens.  

 

Should you care if he got away with it if you have little to no idea what "it is" or should you care, as I do, if he is still doing so? 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

It is about politics and religion when the family being who they are (politics of it) allowed them to sweep it under the rug while the religious beliefs that they supposedly follow treat women like second class citizens who did something wrong when they attract the attention of pervs, rapists and molesters.  

 

Edit - for the record I'm not saying they have the same beliefs as anyone here rather what I've seen posted in other discussions:

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/22/how-the-duggars-church-encourages-young-women-to-submit.html

 

http://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2014/01/03/the-christian-patriarchy-movements-dark-secret-of-wife-spanking/

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/02/carefully-scripted-lives-my-concerns-about-the-duggars.html

 

I don't follow those religious beliefs so I obviously can't confirm they're correct but there's a lot out there that has been discussed since this all came out.  There was even a graphic showing how the church deals with cases of molestation/rape which was quite sad as it put the blame basically on the women.  It's the internet so maybe some or all of it is BS but I haven't seen anything refuting it but maybe that's just the internet being the internet.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Catwhoshatinthehat

[nate]

They are a hateful bunch that spew some really horrible vitriol at gays.  They have a TV show.  The opened themselves to the criticism.  In fact, if they weren't Christian crusaders MT would be on board that the parents should be in jail with the kid and their kids should be living with a relative or child services.

 

Amazing that you can think anything other than they are the lowest of human beings knowing that they allowed one of their children to rape several other of their children.

[halobob]

Should you care if he got away with it if you have little to no idea what "it is" or should you care, as I do, if he is still doing so? 

"It" is child molestation.  If he is still doing so he better rot in jail.  It's weird to me that you don't care that he previously was a child molester.  

[Mark68]

Who's doing the judging in this thread?

That is not the point. The point is that Josh Duggar, self-identified "Christian", also a child molester, was the Executive Director of an organization (which also identifies as "Christian") which is VERY judgmental.

[mtangelsfan]

That is not the point. The point is that Josh Duggar, self-identified "Christian", also a child molester, was the Executive Director of an organization (which also identifies as "Christian") which is VERY judgmental.

Everyone is judgemental.  You are, they are, I am, we all judge those we differ from in some aspects.  I would also argue that your understanding of that verse is quite limited.

 

They are a hateful bunch that spew some really horrible vitriol at gays.  They have a TV show.  The opened themselves to the criticism.  In fact, if they weren't Christian crusaders MT would be on board that the parents should be in jail with the kid and their kids should be living with a relative or child services.

 

Amazing that you can think anything other than they are the lowest of human beings knowing that they allowed one of their children to rape several other of their children.

This is simply not true.  It happened, they moved to stop it.  Now, they did cover it up with the help of law enforcement.  I have a big problem with that.  If they want to go after the dad for covering it up, so be it. 

 

By the way, child services are basically the seventh circle of hell.

[mtangelsfan]

"It" is child molestation.  If he is still doing so he better rot in jail.  It's weird to me that you don't care that he previously was a child molester.  

 

I know, and I agree if he has done it as an adult, or repeated as an adult he should be in jail because it will never change.  I'm sorry I'm not willing to throw a 15 year old under the bus without having all of the facts. 

 

Clearly those who are more "open minded" feel comfortable doing so.

[Mark68]

Everyone is judgemental.  You are, they are, I am, we all judge those we differ from in some aspects.  I would also argue that your understanding of that verse is quite limited.

 

This is simply not true.  It happened, they moved to stop it.  Now, they did cover it up with the help of law enforcement.  I have a big problem with that.  If they want to go after the dad for covering it up, so be it. 

 

By the way, child services are basically the seventh circle of hell.

What's not to understand? That verse seems pretty straightforward.

[mtangelsfan]

I have found that this forum (like most all of them) is a poor platform for those kind of discussions.

[nate]

Everyone is judgemental.  You are, they are, I am, we all judge those we differ from in some aspects.  I would also argue that your understanding of that verse is quite limited.

 

This is simply not true.  It happened, they moved to stop it.  Now, they did cover it up with the help of law enforcement.  I have a big problem with that.  If they want to go after the dad for covering it up, so be it. 

 

By the way, child services are basically the seventh circle of hell.

 

Lol come on dude, you don't actually believe that.

 

They claim that they told a family friend who is in law enforcement, but there is no proof.  Tell me, considering how it all went do you think they were telling the friend to turn him in or to cover it up?  They should have turned him into the real authorities the second they found out about it.

 

Second, their "move" to stop it was to send him to Jesus camp.  They didn't get the children he raped any psychological help, they didn't even get him psychological help.  Once he was done he came back to the home which is like sending a crack addict to rehab and then coming back home to a crack house.

 

I consider child services a much better alternative than being molested.

[mtangelsfan]

Lol come on dude, you don't actually believe that.

 

They claim that they told a family friend who is in law enforcement, but there is no proof.  Tell me, considering how it all went do you think they were telling the friend to turn him in or to cover it up?  They should have turned him into the real authorities the second they found out about it.

 

Second, their "move" to stop it was to send him to Jesus camp.  They didn't get the children he raped any psychological help, they didn't even get him psychological help.  Once he was done he came back to the home which is like sending a crack addict to rehab and then coming back home to a crack house.

 

I consider child services a much better alternative than being molested.

 

What don't I believe?  They did what they thought was best to help him stop.  Do you have proof, or any hint at all that he has continued doing this?  If you don't then how do you know what they did didn't work?  If he was like a crack addict then there should be boatloads of proof that he kept on doing whatever it was he was doing.  Which, of course, you don't have any idea what it was.

 

I already said the cover up was totally wrong and that Jim Bob should pay whatever price authorities want him to.

 

CPS is a great place to get molested too.  Or abused, or ignored, or seperated, or starved.

[nate]

They taught him a great lesson.  After you commit a crime, cover it up and pray.  Lol.

[mtangelsfan]

I don't find this funny at all.  What I do find interesting is that many of you keep ignoring the fact that it seems like whatever was done for him worked.  Or maybe what he did wasn't in the vein of what many of you think.

[InsideThePark]

It's all about politics/religion for those pouring their sympathies to the sis diddler. Liberals and non believers wouldn't come out in herds and defend someone with similar views if they were guilty of those crimes.

[InsideThePark]

I don't find this funny at all.  What I do find interesting is that many of you keep ignoring the fact that it seems like whatever was done for him worked.  Or maybe what he did wasn't in the vein of what many of you think.

"Seems." I hope you're right but we have no way of knowing that.