Truth about vaping

[Brandon]

My sister and her husband, my brother, his son and and daughter, and my aunt have all gone from smoking at least 1 pack per day to vaping.  

 

My sister and her husband had the easiest transition.  

 

My sister hits the fancy e-cig so hard. Her nickname is the dragon now.  

 

That seems to be the most prominent people I come across at stores.....granted, I'm there during my business hours and not when it's busier at nights.

 

But most of the people are elders looking to not necessarily quit, but severely cut back because of health issues and doctors orders. Many of them are pretty proud of their stories with dropping dosages or getting of oxygen tanks because they are no longer smoking harsh cigarettes.

[Brandon]

I always think of slurpees when I see the ridiculous e-cig flavors.  

 

Very loose definition of "adult" if they're being marketed primarily to adults.  

 

To me it's the exact same as hookah bars with their flavored hashish.

 

Until health concerns arise I doubt 40+ year old are going to stop smoking their Marlboro Lights. It's the 18-35 demographic for sure or an alternative for people that wish to severely cut back on intake and chemicals.

[Brandon]

Brandon has had an outsiders view of the Ecig users and the industry itself, and he's echoed what I've been saying in this thread.

 

I'm pretty sure I annoy the shit out of him, so if you guys still chose to remain ignorant, at least take his word for it.

 

It's not even that.

 

I usually stay out of shit I don't know about or can't properly judge. This site seems to breed certain types that read a WSJ article, overhear their mom talking about a WebMD post, or have the buddy that smoked vapes and couldn't kick the habit but suddenly here are experts on the topic or think their ignorant opinions are factual. The elitist guy that doesn't know what he's talking about but seems to be pretty sure of themselves regarding vaping or stuff like Hamilton's addiction and the process of an addict.

 

I heard about g-pens from the medical marijuana industry and smoking the highly concentrated thc wax/oil, but had no idea what a vape or vaping was until a couple months ago. Then as I started working directly with 3-4 new stores a week you get to see and talk to the clientele when owners run late. You get the facts first hand from consumers and merchants on the positives and negatives. It got me intrigued with them and I'm glad the various types of vapes or e-cigs are on the market for people.

 

As for kids, they are too smart and are going to do the same shit every other kid has done over the decades of consuming cigarettes and beer underage, throwing the party while the parents are gone for the weekend, stealing mom's Xanax or valium, and just doing shit they shouldn't. Nicotine vapor is the least of my concerns with what kids are doing these days and if it kept them from driving drunk from Mikey's house party or taking exctasy at Coachella and getting sexually assaulted then that's a plus.  

Edited April 16, 2015 by Brandon

[Tank]

E-cigs are used to deliver other drugs besides nicotine and are marketed to kids. We have had 5th graders bring them to school and pass them around.

 

Liar.

 

you sure seem to bristle at this idea, poozy, like you've got some skin in the game. why is that? why so offended at the idea that companies that peddle poison do so with bright colors and pretty pictures that appeal to kids? or the idea that they're sold at liquor/convenience stores, places kids are known to shop at.

[NrM]

you sure seem to bristle at this idea, poozy, like you've got some skin in the game. why is that? why so offended at the idea that companies that peddle poison do so with bright colors and pretty pictures that appeal to kids? or the idea that they're sold at liquor/convenience stores, places kids are known to shop at.

 

 

 

Authors John Meany and Kate Shuster wrote in their 2002 book Art, Argument, and Advocacy: Mastering Parliamentary Debate that using the phrase "Think of the children" in debate was a type of logical fallacy.^[1] They identified this as a form of an appeal to emotion.^[1]The authors explained that the debater will use the phrase in an effort to emotionally sway members of the listening public instead of engaging in logical discussion.^[1] Meany and Shuster gave as an example: "I know this national missile defense plan has its detractors, but won’t someone please think of the children?"^[1] The assessment that use of the exhortation: "Think of the children" is a type of appeal to emotion was echoed by Margie Borschke in an article for the journal Media International Australia incorporating Culture and Policy.^[3]Borschke went on to call this methodology a tactic of rhetoric.^[3]

 

 

Ethicist Jack Marshall described "Think of the children!" as a tactic used in an attempt to cease back-and-forth discussion by invoking a powerful argument.^[2] According to Marshall, the strategy proved useful due to its success at stopping individuals from engaging in rationality and reason.^[2He called this plan an unethical manner of obfuscating debate by misdirecting empathy towards another source which may not have been the focus of the original argument.^[2] He wrote that use of the phrase had positive intent but had a tendency to become irrational when used repeatedly by both sides in a dispute.^[2] Marshall concluded that referring to the phrase had the impact of manipulating a simple act of following regulations into a confusing ethical quandary.^[2] He cautioned that society should not fall into the mindset that citing "Think of the children!" had the ability to upstage all other morals and standards in civilization.^[2]

 

Scott Beattie wrote in his 2009 book Community, Space and Online Censorship that the exclamation "Will no one think of the children?" was often invoked by individuals advocating censorship due to concerns for youths who might view material deemed inappropriate.^[7] He opined that youngsters were cast as potential casualties of mythological sexual predators online, and were referred to in this fashion in order to increase regulation of the Internet.^[7] Beattie explained that characterizing children in an infantile manner drew upon a concept of innocence which served as a form of obsession of the very notion of purity.^[7]

 

Journal for Cultural Research published an article in 2010 by Debra Ferreday,^[24] which was subsequently republished in the 2011 bookHope and Feminist Theory.^[9] Ferreday wrote that use of the phrase "Won't someone think of the children!" in the media had become a common usage which evolved from a climate of moral panic.^[9] She posited that the phrase was becoming so commonplace as to have the likely prospect of turning into an oft-cited idiom similar to Godwin's law.^[9]

 

In a 2011 article for the journal Post Script, Andrew Scahill commented upon the power of using children in rhetoric, and wrote that it creates an untenable stance for the opposing party.^[25] Scahill explained that an individual debating with "for the children" in their argument, makes it extremely difficult for someone to argue for the opposition position, as that would mean they would be supporting a "not for the children" perspective.^[25] Cassandra Wilkinson discussed the impact of the "think of the children" rhetoric in a 2011 article forIPA Review.^[26] Wilkinson cited research by No Fear: Growing Up in a Risk-Averse Society author Tim Gill that hypersensitivity to defense of children from potential harm carries adverse impact, by contributing to an inability of youth to satisfactorily own their choices and react to dangerous situations.^[27] Writing for New Statesman, Laurie Penny characterized this tactic as a form of political belief system, and called it: "think-of-the-children-ism".^[28]

 

Cory Doctorow wrote in a 2011 article for Make magazine that the phrase "Won’t someone think of the children?!" was used by irrational individuals to support arguments about the dangers to youth of four types of groups on the Internet.^[29] These four groups, collectively referred to as "Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse", included: "pirates", terrorists, organized crime, and child pornographers.^[29] He wrote that use of the phrase in such a manner was done with the intent of gagging additional discussion on the merits of the underlying issues and stopping rational analysis.^[29] Doctorow observed that these tactics were often used during the burgeoning period when society was determining the proper approach to legal aspects of computing.^[29]

In his 2013 book Fervid Filmmaking, Mike Watt discussed the history of censorship related to the Obscene Publications Act 1959 in theUnited Kingdom and noted how films that were banned during this time period became known in common parlance as "Video nasties".^[30]Watt commented that a more current linguistic interpretation of such attempts at censorship could be referred to as the: "Think of the Children" characterization.^[30] Brian M. Reed wrote in his book Nobody's Business, published in the same year, that the phrase was essentially devoid of substance and could be replaced with "How many kittens must die", and have an equally comedic effect.^[31]

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Edited April 16, 2015 by Poozy

[nate]

 

 

I'll be waiting for your response, although I'm sure I wont get one.

 

FDA regulated and minimum age to purchase is 21.  Are you too stupid to tell the difference?

[NrM]

FDA regulated and minimum age to purchase is 21.  Are you too stupid to tell the difference?

 

Alcohol is not regulated by the FDA and you have to be 18 to purchase Ecigs.  

 

Since you're so smart, please enlighten me on the difference.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Poozy

[nate]

Sorry the ATF.

[NrM]

Sorry the ATF.

 

 

The ATF deals with the smuggling of alcohol and are concerned with securing tax revenue. Completely different from the FDA.

Alcohol products aren't even required to have nutritional/ingredient labels.

 

But it's beside the point.

 

Since I'm too stupid to understand the difference between candy flavored vodka and candy flavored ejuice being advertising to kids, I'm going to need an explanation.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Poozy

[NrM]

Oh wait I think I get it now.

 

You guys all drink so of course there can't be anything wrong with that. Who cares about the health effects, addiction, children abused and DUIs right? It's only for adults! 

 

But oh god those evil Ecig users! I just don't understand them!  

 

Edited April 16, 2015 by Poozy

[stevestevens]

Oh wait I think I get it now.

 

You guys all drink so of course there can't be anything wrong with that. Who cares about the health effects, addiction, children abused and DUIs right? It's only for adults! 

 

But oh god those evil Ecig users! I just don't understand them!  

 

 

actually I don't drink.  

 

I don't have a problem with anyone who drinks, vapes, smokes, or uses any other recreational drug unless the use causes them to be a menace to society in anyway.  

 

I do have a problem with any company or person who advertises and/or distributes alcohol, cigarettes, e-cigs or any other recreational drug to underage users.

 

Call me a sucker for supporting the laws of the land.....even if you think they are archaic.  

[NrM]

actually I don't drink.  

 

I don't have a problem with anyone who drinks, vapes, smokes, or uses any other recreational drug unless the use causes them to be a menace to society in anyway.  

 

I do have a problem with any company or person who advertises and/or distributes alcohol, cigarettes, e-cigs or any other recreational drug to underage users.

 

Call me a sucker for supporting the laws of the land.....even if you think they are archaic.  

 

Don't we all? 

That doesn't make it acceptable to spout crazy accusations with absolutely no anecdotal evidence to speak of.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Poozy

[Brandon]

I think the people talking about marketing to kids are just trolling and can't be serious.

 

Things like the candy cigarettes from the 80s/90s are marketing to kids, different flavors than rhino dick is not marketing to kids.

[TobiasFunke]

Wait are people in here actually calling for the banning of e-cigs?

[Jay]

Currently the topic is about whether or not e-cigs are marketed to children.  The fact that e-cigs are offered in fruit flavors and brightly-colored packaging is presented as evidence that they are marketed to children (I presume by "kids" people mean under-age children).

 

This is marketing to children:

 

[Brandon]

Condoms are also in bright packaging and come in fruit flavors. Wine coolers are bright packaging and fruit flavors. Regular soda are in bright packaging and fruit flavors.

 

Those are not the requisites for child marketing.

 

If someone puts out a candy apple e-cig with candy apple coloring, it's not marketed for kids....it's common sense with branding.

[stevestevens]

State Attorney Generals often have pulled tabacco products that sell with candy and fruit flavors because they deemed they are aimed at marketing to children.  There are multiple examples of this.  There really is no debate on whether it is a practice on advertising to children. The debate is whether e-cigs are doing the same thing that Big Tobacco continually tries to do.

[Jay]

State Attorney Generals are politicians just like the rest of them, and they serve Governors.  Some consumer group squeaks about fruit flavored cigarettes and a political decision is made.

[stevestevens]

There are actually studies that show what teenage kids smoke too and what they gravitate towards.......

[Amazing Larry]

Rhino dick doesn't taste as bad as you'd think.

[Tank]

Oh wait I think I get it now.

 

You guys all drink so of course there can't be anything wrong with that. Who cares about the health effects, addiction, children abused and DUIs right? It's only for adults! 

 

But oh god those evil Ecig users! I just don't understand them!  

 

 

i don't drink alcohol and i've worked hard to eliminate soda from my diet.

 

i still don't understand why you're so offended at the idea of how products are marketed. your condescending tone really makes you look childish.

 

if ecigs have worked for you and others to get off of the more dangerous tobacco, terrific. it's likely they don't work for every single person that's out there, however.

[Brandon]

State Attorney Generals often have pulled tabacco products that sell with candy and fruit flavors because they deemed they are aimed at marketing to children.  There are multiple examples of this.  There really is no debate on whether it is a practice on advertising to children. The debate is whether e-cigs are doing the same thing that Big Tobacco continually tries to do.

 

Good point. The government has a real good grasp on what's best for us.

 

Putting the color of the fruit on the label of flavored vodka, condoms, cigarettes, etc. is not marketing towards kids. Putting some mascot like Joe Camel or Geoffrey the Giraffe is.

 

Yes, people are attracted the vibrant packaging whether it be kids or adults, it doesn't mean it's packaged for them. Have you even looked at tape marketing? What here is marketed towards kids? Looks like every other adult marketing for alcohol, sex, or tobacco.

 

 

 

 

 

[Brandon]

There are actually studies that show what teenage kids smoke too and what they gravitate towards.......

 

Surprise, surprise. Kids gravitate towards bad things.

[Jason]

Truth about Vaping....People look like d-bags while they are doing it.

[Blarg]

From the examples shown it appears E-cigs are marketed to morons. Enjoy your addictions sheeple.