ISIS delenda est

[Hollyw00d]

......is that why its called 'Turkey' day?

Serious question, but why here? Meaning, why arent these people trying to get in to say north africa or asia? Wouldnt the cultures be more similar? Obviously they want a better life. But should we also start accepting the people fleeing african warzones? Burma? Sinaloa?

We brought over a huge amount of Salvadoran refugees in the 80s. The settled into the rampart district. Rampart in turn became pound for pound the most violent division of the lapd in the 90s (77th and southeast having more crime stats, but rampart beating them when taken into account how small it is).

Im not saying this would be the same. The vietnamese came over, and after a generation, thrived. But it has bad news written all over it to me...

That may have been because the rampart division was filled with thugs with pensions

[Blarg]

Obama: Syrian refugees are like the pilgrims on the Mayflower

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-syrian-refugees-are-like-pilgrims-on-the-mayflower/ar-AAfGb00?ocid=spartandhp

14 more months of this madness...

Eventually the settlers to the New World killed and usurped the land of the native peoples.

[ten ocho recon scout]

That may have been because the rampart division was filled with thugs with pensions

or because 18th street, 20K deep, and MS-13 decided to go to war there, along with the 7 gangs making up the 3 square miles of the pico/aliso

Wont make any excuses for rampart crash. They were crooks and got what was coming. But they were a blip of what was haopening there, a division that averaged 100 homicides a year in an area about the size of la palma, or villa park. And for every homicide you can multiply it by about two and a half for people shot that didnt die.

Rampart has been cleaned up for the most part. Its still poor, but violent crime is way down. South LA is still doing its thing though. This wss most of LA from about 87 to 2000:

http://homicide.latimes.com/post/westmont-homicides/

[gotbeer]

Never heard of this pub.  So take it with a grain of salt.  

 

Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey’s President

[ten ocho recon scout]

Never heard of this pub. So take it with a grain of salt.

Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey’s President

some of that article is a little too far fetched...but who knows

[Amazing Larry]

Putin isn't pulling any punches.

 

"Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday the reason Turkey downed a Russian warplane last week was that it wanted to protect supplies of oil from Islamic State."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-turkey-shot-down-russia-plane-isis-oil-2015-11

[gotbeer]

Erdogan says would resign if Putin IS oil trade claims proven

[HaloFan85]

Da, comrade. That's what they said. That's exactly what "in that area" means.

Well, there's only one "area" Russia is bombing ISIS and other terrorists, and that's inside Syria.

[HaloFan85]

How Turkey Exports ISIS Oil To The World: The Scientific Evidence

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-27/how-turkey-exports-isis-oil-world-scientific-evidence

 

[AngelsLongBall]

Erdogan says would resign if Putin IS oil trade claims proven

 

 

How Turkey Exports ISIS Oil To The World: The Scientific Evidence

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-27/how-turkey-exports-isis-oil-world-scientific-evidence

 

Whelp, looks like it took only 42 minutes to prove!  Adios Erdogan!

[arch stanton]

Well, there's only one "area" Russia is bombing ISIS and other terrorists, and that's inside Syria.

You glossed over the part I included stating that it's standard to give a 12 mile border buffer since that doesn't fit your Pravda editorial rant.Good that you included the "and other terrorists" bit since IS is essentially an afterthought in their mission planning.

[Hollyw00d]

Putin just mushroom stamped turkey

[fan_since79]

Defense Sec just announced that Special Ops forces are headed to Iraq to fight ISIS. A senior official said this "cracks open the door" for combat operations in Iraq and Syria.

 

Here we go!

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/defense-secretary-carter-special-ops-force-iraq-fight-isis-n471996

Edited December 1, 2015 by fan_since79

[Stradling]

Defense Sec just announced that Special Ops forces are headed to Iraq to fight ISIS. A senior official said this "cracks open the door" for combat operations in Iraq and Syria.

Here we go!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/defense-secretary-carter-special-ops-force-iraq-fight-isis-n471996

So FS, are you in favor of this or not? Would your view on it change if it was a Republican making the call, all else being equal.

[HaloFan85]

You glossed over the part I included stating that it's standard to give a 12 mile border buffer since that doesn't fit your Pravda editorial rant.Good that you included the "and other terrorists" bit since IS is essentially an afterthought in their mission planning.

An after thought in who's mission planning, Russia's?  Are you fk'n kidding me??

 

Please list me the accomplishments of the US against IS in Syria before Russia started bombing them on Sept 30.  I'm sure there's plenty.

[ten ocho recon scout]

An after thought in who's mission planning, Russia's? Are you fk'n kidding me??

Please list me the accomplishments of the US against IS in Syria before Russia started bombing them on Sept 30. I'm sure there's plenty.

i think the US effort has mainly been against IS in Iraq (over syria)

[arch stanton]

An after thought in who's mission planning, Russia's?  Are you fk'n kidding me??

 

Please list me the accomplishments of the US against IS in Syria before Russia started bombing them on Sept 30.  I'm sure there's plenty.

What does the effort of the US have to do with Russia bombing targets chosen with saving Assad's ass in mind? Are you really trying to say Russia is in this to fight IS?

[gotbeer]

What does the effort of the US have to do with Russia bombing targets chosen with saving Assad's ass in mind? Are you really trying to say Russia is in this to fight IS?

 

Eventually Russia will attack ISIS.  But right now, they are trying to not fight 2 fronts at the same time.  As the turkmen showed with killing the pilot, they are the current target of Russia now.  And if it's true that ISIS is funneling oil through them, the strategy by Russia is sound.  Close off the Turkey border, which will mean ISIS will lose a good portion of their funding.  Which will mean they will be an easier target to destroy, since their biggest strength is hiring people who have no other means for a job.

[arch stanton]

So who were they planning to bomb in that area if not Turkmen? Why be there to begin with?

[gotbeer]

So who were they planning to bomb in that area if not Turkmen? Why be there to begin with?

 

Probably to close off the border, and have a pipeline to the Kurds.  Which won't sit well with the Turks.

[arch stanton]

How exactly does one seal a border with a low level bomber?

[Amazing Larry]

Looks like the Iraqis are starting to figure it out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iraqis-think-the-us-is-in-cahoots-with-isis-and-it-is-hurting-the-war/2015/12/01/d00968ec-9243-11e5-befa-99ceebcbb272_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_iraqhostility-850pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

[Jay]

Looks like the Iraqis are starting to figure it out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iraqis-think-the-us-is-in-cahoots-with-isis-and-it-is-hurting-the-war/2015/12/01/d00968ec-9243-11e5-befa-99ceebcbb272_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_iraqhostility-850pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Iraqis are very smart.

[fan_since79]

So FS, are you in favor of this or not? Would your view on it change if it was a Republican making the call, all else being equal.

 

I'm not in favor of it unless it's a coalition of many countries (including the local ones like Saudi Arabia, etc) with about 500,000 troops ready to make total war on ISIS and destroy them once and for all. That's what war is, not this confused mess we see here. Whether it's a Democrat or a Republican calling the shots doesn't matter to me.

Edited December 2, 2015 by fan_since79

[Amazing Larry]

Why would Saudi Arabia try to destroy ISIS when they are helping to support them?