Billy Butler to the A's

[DW711]

Nah, they have too many outfielders.

 

Probably Drew or Cabrera.

[Docwaukee]

Nah, they have too many outfielders.

 

Probably Drew or Cabrera.

you don't think they'll be looking for a fringe middle of the order bat to play LF? 

[DW711]

Moss, Blanks, Fuld and Gentry I think will rotate there.

 

Moss actually is pretty decent in left or right.

 

Got a lot more assists than I thought he would.

Edited November 19, 2014 by DW711

[ukyah]

Moss, Blanks, Fuld and Gentry I think will rotate there.

 

Moss actually is pretty decent in left or right.

 

Got a lot more assists than I thought he would.

 

 

assists are the hallmark of a bad outfielder.

[DW711]

They can be.

[Redondo]

Butler hit .271 with nine home runs and 66 RBIs this past season

 

And gets 30 million? That's crazy money for basically an average to above average player. It pays to play baseball for sure.

[arch stanton]

In October 2005 I went to a mass interview in Phoenix so decided to catch some AFL action to see Brandon Wood for myself. Butler was in LF the day I watched and was the clumsiest, most nonathletic person I've ever seen get paid to play baseball. He will not age well. If he doesn't rake then he's basically useless. 

[T.G.]

I hate it when players I like go to teams I hate.

[Don]

Dude has been in decline for a couple years, has no speed or defensive value, and is probably the worst athlete in MLB not named Bartolo. He might have some value as a DH against lefties, but that's about it. Nice pick up, Beane.

[Chuck]

I don't understand the fascination with this guy.

 

Little power for a corner infielder/DH. Terrible defense.

 

We have Cron who has way more pop for much cheaper.

 

Puff Puff Pass. 

[laagamer]

Big whoop

 

Unless Butler was the sole secret to the Royals post-season success; I'm not worried. 

[Troll Daddy]

Cron was terrible in the second half ... hope he can turn the corner.

[NrM]

Really, there's no other 1b-dh type hitter out there on the market.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/2015-mlb-free-agents.html

 

If you go through all those guys you have:

 

Butler

Morse (injury prone and inconsistent)

Ludwick (injury prone)

Hart (I don't know what the hell happened to him)

Willingham (probably retiring)

 

They needed a right handed hitter, they got one.

 

Yeah, I don't like him playing first and the contract...well...it's bad..but!

 

Aviles sucked, got 3.5 mill for one year

Burnett was worse, got 8.5 mill for one year

Cuddyer will be injured 1/2 the year. 2 years for 21.

Happ was below average...got 6.7 mill for one year

J.J. Hardy was awful. 3 years for 40 mill.

 

You get the idea.

 

They're ALL BAD!

The A's don't have anyone in the minors that can DH/ Platoon that is capable of putting up similar numbers to butler?

I find that hard to believe.

 

The Angels always seem players capable of filling that role.

Last year, it was CJ Cron.

 

Hell Cron seems better than butler. Both clog the bases, don't walk and play awful defense.

Cron probably has a little more power than butler though.

Edited November 19, 2014 by Poozy

[DB24]

Butler vs. Angels pitching

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_/id/6396/teamId/3/billy-butler

[Blarg]

9 HR in 549 AB is some serious power.

 

The A's stadium is an extreme pitchers park, kind of like San Diego, so why buy up expensive power hitters that will never show their potential?

 

I am going to assume 2014 it is more of an outlier for a relatively young player and Butler should bounce back to a .285/.370 line which makes him one of the better hitters in the A's lineup last season. That is how the A's score runs in a park that suppresses power, OBP and a timely hit, so he may just fit in well to what their system requires.

 

He would be of no help to the Angels but Oakland got possibly what they needed in a true DH for a decent price in todays market.

[Stradling]

He is the perfect A's player.

[DW711]

The A's don't have anyone in the minors that can DH/ Platoon that is capable of putting up similar numbers to butler?

I find that hard to believe.

 

The Angels always seem players capable of filling that role.

Last year, it was CJ Cron.

 

Hell Cron seems better than butler. Both clog the bases, don't walk and play awful defense.

Cron probably has a little more power than butler though.

 

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=105&stn=true&sid=t105

 

Knock yourself out.

[VariousCrap]

The A's gave Billy Butler 3/30 million?

 

[ukyah]

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=105&stn=true&sid=t105

 

Knock yourself out.

 

 

i see several names on that list i'd take over butler and 30 million of my very limited dollars.

[DW711]

Ok.

 

Who?

[ukyah]

Ok.

 

Who?

 

 

just the names i know: reddick, blanks, goebbert, vogt, freiman, gentry, barton. i can't really talk about any of the other guys because i don't have any frame of reference for their prospects. the point is i could manufacture the same production that butler would give me for a fraction of the cost, at least in my opinion. 

 

i look at it as the A's have very few dollars to spend, so that signing seems unwise from that perspective, but i understand you are a fan and fans want better individual players. 

[DW711]

just the names i know: reddick, blanks, goebbert, vogt, freiman, gentry, barton. i can't really talk about any of the other guys because i don't have any frame of reference for their prospects. the point is i could manufacture the same production that butler would give me for a fraction of the cost, at least in my opinion.

i look at it as the A's have very few dollars to spend, so that signing seems unwise from that perspective, but i understand you are a fan and fans want better individual players.

Reddick plays right field and he's a lefty.

Blanks gets hurt too much.

Goebbert is on the Padres

Vogt is a lefty and has no track record

Frieman has no track record.

Gentry is a 4th outfielder with 0 home runs last year.

I think I'm the only A's fan left that kind of likes Barton. That said...when he's been in the majors..he had one good year.

I understand what you're saying..the A's have limited money and you don't want to spend 10 million a year on a guy that hit 9 homers last year.

Unless you're the Marlins (until this year) or a team like that...sometimes you have to spend the money.

Did they have to spend this much? I don't know...probably not (but what else is new)...so I'm with you on that...but he's going to get at least 8 million a year because:

-he's a career .290 hitter

-he hasn't been on the dl in six years (which is big)

-he's had a pretty good career.

-The A's had Gomes bat clean up for them the last two months of the year.

Yes, I know he's a double play king...but I didn't see anyone else on the free agent list or in AAA that would have been a better option.

Edited November 20, 2014 by DW711

[dimitrig]

The A's stadium is an extreme pitchers park, kind of like San Diego, so why buy up expensive power hitters that will never show their potential?

 

Why do the Angels do this?

 

I'd rather have Butler at 3/$30M than Vernon Wells at 3/$65M. Oh, and we gave up a player in that deal!

Edited November 20, 2014 by dimitrig