So what is everyone's thoughts on Obama's plan for ISIS?

[TobiasFunke]

ISIS, ISIL, and IS are basically all the same.

Islamic State. Caliphate. World-wide. Submission of every human to the will of Allah.

But there is infighting as various would-be "caliphs" jockey for recognition and dominance.

Are you talking to yourself again?

[floplag]

The Republicans are talking up Romney for 2016. Can you believe that?! Do they love to lose elections or something?

 

Who else do they have... really?

it doesnt matter though, since the destroyed the middle class they've destroyed their own voting block.

[fan_since79]

Are you talking to yourself again?

 

I was responding to gotbeer's post, but forgot to quote it.

[TobiasFunke]

If you actually read the article they were talking about an offshoot of Al-queda that usually infights with IS/ISIS/ISIL now joining forces with them.

 

It never said IS and ISIL are joining forces.

[Hollyw00d]

getting beyond all of the name calling and foolishness, let us get back to the topic at hand.

 

http://news.msn.com/world/us-led-raids-hit-grain-silos-in-syria-kill-workers-monitor

 

We have bombed the ever increasing threat of gluten.............grain silos.  Oh, and took out civilians while we were at it.  Good grief, we can't get any kind of intel on this stuff?

 

 

you know that old saying about military intelligence....

[Amazing Larry]

One benefit of this mess is that we get to see a sneak peak of Mad Max.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773452/The-REAL-road-warriors-Mad-Max-battle-buses-tanks-built-Kurdish-fighters-repel-ISIS-soldiers-Syria.html

[Tank]

We are so making this entire thing worse right now.. this makes Carter look intelligent

 

whoa, lets not get carried away.

[gotbeer]

Airstrikes against Islamic State in Syria stir anger among rebels

 

Since the strikes began last week, opposition activists have staged protests and denounced the U.S. air assault as misguided and an attack on Islam. Critics say the bombardment should be aimed at forces loyal to the government of President Bashar Assad, not his opponents.

 

"The coalition is against the blessed Syrian revolution, using the excuse of Daesh," said a brigade commander with the U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army who goes by the nickname Abu Qusay. "Daesh" is the Arabic acronym for the militant group Islamic State.

 

[Hollyw00d]

One benefit of this mess is that we get to see a sneak peak of Mad Max.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773452/The-REAL-road-warriors-Mad-Max-battle-buses-tanks-built-Kurdish-fighters-repel-ISIS-soldiers-Syria.html

"Heavily armed ISIS fighters, who acquired their weapons from the Iraqi army."

Who got their weapons from The American government.

[Hollyw00d]

It's been confirmed ISIS controls at least 30 M1A2 Abrams tanks and it's variants

We're fighting ourselves. It's like one big ****ing joke.

[nate]

But we should keep arming Arab countries to fight militants.  Lol.

[TobiasFunke]

Guys, back off, it's a flawless plan

[AngelsLongBall]

I wonder if thise tanks have the IFF installed. Would make it easier to target them. And hey, then we get to replace them!

[Jay]

It was foolish to leave all that advanced weaponry behind with an untrained Iraqi military.

[bakunin]

It was foolish to pull out when removing Saddam was the undertaking of a VERY LONG expedition, if we wanted indeed to set them up for success. Even then, setting them up for success means putting another "dictator" in who will eventually become just as ruthless anyway. 

[bakunin]

Saw a thing this morning though that Kurds have launched an offensive yesterday and retook two cities, and are on the verge of taking back another. God bless those brave souls. Christ lives through them. 

[Tank]

is it common knowledge that when we sell weapons, planes, tanks, etc to foreign countries that we give them a scaled down model of what we use? they are purposely not getting 100% of our technology.

[nate]

They get our one generation old stuff usually but not always.

[Adam]

There are so many problems with arming middle-easterners, the least of which is not the fact that you cannot assess the loyalties of the individuals tasked with manning the weapons. How do we know that Abdul Bin Iraqi isn't some crazy Caliphatist? Besides that, as soon as shit looks grim, what is to stop these guys from just joining the the extremist groups in the interest of self-preservation? 

[TobiasFunke]

In my opinion, we have no friends in the Middle East. I wouldn't even consider the Kurds friends.

[mtangelsfan]

If I were the Kurds I certainly wouldn't consider the U.S. friends.

[TobiasFunke]

If I was England I wouldn't consider the U.S. a friend

[Jay]

If I were the U.S. I would consider every one else leeches.

[TobiasFunke]

If I was China I would consider the U.S.  a leech

[mtangelsfan]

If I were the U.S. I would consider every one else leeches.

 

That would certainly be a myopic point of view.  Lets take a look at how the U.S. has handled themselves in the middle east the last few decades.  Iran, put in a puppet dictator who fleeced the country and was completely corrupt until the country couldn't stand it anymore and tossed him out, now they are a bitter enemy.  Irag, propped up Saddam because he was warring against bitter enemy Iran and let him wreak havok in his own country for decades, killing, maiming, raping and plundering until he dared cross the U.S. by trying to invade Kuwait.  Then we had to deal with him.

Afghanistan, propped up the Taliban and gave them weapons, encouraged their opiate trade as a means to keep funded while fighting the Russians.  Now we are still losing young men and women to that very group.

 

Yeah, those stupid leeches.