A's Acquire Samardzija and Hammel

[floplag]

im not sure this helps them...
i mean they already had the second best team ERA in baseball, best in AL.. best as starters...   all 4 primary starters already under 4.0 ERAs... league adjusted i dont see how this really helps them much unless you assume hes a some post season stud which is totally not proven.
And what does it tell the guys they have?  that the org has no faith in them in the post ?

I mean they gave up one of the top guys in the game for what seems to be very little real gain to me.

 

[Docwaukee]

He's currently an ace, and he will be one moving forward.

hmmmm.  I'm still not sure, but I'm coming around.  

 

Maybe if you post the exact same thing one more time then it will be true.  

[Tyler]

hmmmm.  I'm still not sure, but I'm coming around.  

 

Maybe if you post the exact same thing one more time then it will be true.  

 

He's an ace now, and he will be one moving forward.

[jsnpritchett]

He's currently an ace, and he will be one moving forward.

 

I find it odd that you keep pushing this. Genuinely curious what makes you say he's currently an ace?  He's in the top 10 in virtually no categories, nor has he been in any other year.

[Tyler]

What am I supposed to throw out some WAR statistic or strikeout numbers? hahah He's an ace. They gave up a lot to get him, so we'll see how it works out if they don't win it all quickly, or extend him.

[bloodbrother]

The deal helps them come playoff time against the likes of the Tigers, etc. Instead of having to use Mills/Milone/Chavez/Pomeranz(3 of these guys), they'll have Samardzija and Hammel. It deepens their rotation with more legitimate options. Mills and Milone are soft tossing lefties without quality stuff, Chavez has only had 2 MLB starts prior to this year and Pomeranz is an unproven young arm

[jsnpritchett]

What am I supposed to throw out some WAR statistic or strikeout numbers? hahah He's an ace. They gave up a lot to get him, so we'll see how it works out if they don't win it all quickly, or extend him.

 

It would be good if you could support your assertion with anything at all, other than belligerence and repetition.

[Docwaukee]

He's an ace now, and he will be one moving forward.

[Tyler]

It would be good if you could support your assertion with anything at all, other than belligerence and repetition.

 

We all know where fangraphs.com is located and how to get there. 

[Blarg]

Just to be clear here, Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer just may have pulled off the worst trade of the year. Congrats.

[Hollyw00d]

im not sure this helps them...

i mean they already had the second best team ERA in baseball, best in AL.. best as starters...   all 4 primary starters already under 4.0 ERAs... league adjusted i dont see how this really helps them much unless you assume hes a some post season stud which is totally not proven.

And what does it tell the guys they have?  that the org has no faith in them in the post ?

I mean they gave up one of the top guys in the game for what seems to be very little real gain to me.

 

 

this helps them tremendously.  Yes their starters have done alright thus far, but they have a few guys in there that aren't sure things and could be due for some serious regression.  Well they did, before this trade.

 

also, who really cares what it "tells the guys."   If they have the mentality of children they wouldn't have even made it to MLB, let alone succeed.  

[Hollyw00d]

Just to be clear here, Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer just may have pulled off the worst trade of the year. Congrats.

 

 

explain?

[bloodbrother]

Ace is thrown around too loosely. There's only about 7 aces in all of baseball IMO.

 

Shark is a good #2 starter

[Tyler]

Ace is thrown around too loosely. There's only about 7 aces in all of baseball IMO.

 

Shark is a good #2 starter

 

You're thinking about superstars.

 

Is semantics all this is about? Ace of the staff... a #1...

[Blarg]

explain?

 

If you want explanations, Shane is your source.

[OregonLAA]

They won't face the Tigers if they can't get past the 1 game playoff

[OregonLAA]

Hammel's ERA against the Angels is above 6 and The Shark's is above 17 by the way

[Tyler]

If you want explanations, Shane is your source.

 

I would have definitely tried to get some pitching prospects in return.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

@benmaller: New A's pitcher Jeff Samardzija is 1-6 with 3.52 ERA against winning teams this season and has 6.50 ERA last two weeks.

[Blarg]

I would have definitely tried to get some pitching prospects in return.

 

/thread

[jshep]

Hammel's ERA against the Angels is above 6 and The Shark's is above 17 by the way

 

Isn't Shark's from 1 bad start though? I don't think we've faced him other than that.

[Hollyw00d]

Yeah, but how many Mike Trouts do the A's have?

 

 

well the cubs may have just acquired one.

 

 

well, probably not.  But you get the idea

[OregonLAA]

Ya, and I actually like him, but I think he posts a 4+ ERA the rest of the year

[tennischmp]

You're thinking about superstars.

 

Is semantics all this is about? Ace of the staff... a #1...

Ok so he's one of the Top 30 pitchers in the MLB? Probably

[Tyler]

Ok so he's one of the Top 30 pitchers in the MLB? Probably

 

20-25 even.