Good Times in Ukraine and Russia

[Blarg]

It would be a hell of a fireworks display. It also will never happen with a pair of superpowers so bluff calling is where we are at.

[HaloMagic]

Yeah, an actual war seems pretty unlikely. Everything is at stake. No country that big can risk everything. No one wants a full scale war. Not us. Not Russia. Not China. No one.

[Spirit]

Meh.  What's the worse that can happen?

 

 

[Amazing Larry]

The Donetsk region of Ukraine will vote for independence soon, just like Crimea did.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-denounces-referendum-plans-in-east-ukraine/2014/05/07/ccf70b88-d5b5-11e3-8f7d-7786660fff7c_story.html

 

Russia launched ICBM's from nuclear submarines.

 

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/putin-oversees-russian-nuclear-forces-exercise

 

 

[HaloFan85]

Per Ukraine's coup regime regarding the fire in Odessa last week:

 

"A horrific fire last week that killed dozens in a hulking Odessa building where pro-Russian protesters had taken cover was likely sparked by rebels on the roof who accidentally dropped Molotov cocktails, according to a preliminary investigation by the government."

 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/07/ukraine-government-says-pro-russian-rebels-sparked-deadly-odessa-fire/

 

 

What really happened in Odessa last week:

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/08/false-flag-in-odessa/

 

(Warning: extremely graphic images)

http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html?nojs=

 

(watch from 3:30 to about 6:00 mark)

http://rt.com/bulletin-board/156776-rtnews-may05-1700msk/

 

I'm sure Putin knows all this so you really have to admire his restraint.  There will definitely be more false flag massacres like this one.  I still think Putin will end up with no choice but to cross into Ukraine, and that's when all hell will break loose.

[mtangelsfan]

What really happened in Odessa last week:

 

 

LOL, dude starts his story with "what I believe".  But you state it as fact.

[HaloFan85]

"Incriminating evidence suggesting otherwise"  Is that better MT?

 

Did you even look at the pictures or even watch the video segment that basically destroys the claims being made by Kiev and the West?

[mtangelsfan]

I watched.  There are no "good guys"  Its going to be sad, tragic and ugly.  Who knows what transpired before, during or after.  Bottom line is that Putin nor the west are victims here.  Both are trying to manipulate events to their favor.  All I know for sure is that a sovereign nation is being taken apart and is caught in a tug of war between two parties who care very little about its inhabitants.

[Amazing Larry]

This is probably just a coincidence.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/ukraine-gas-producer-appoints-r-hunter-biden-board-n105006

[Adam]

This is probably just a coincidence.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/ukraine-gas-producer-appoints-r-hunter-biden-board-n105006

 

lol

 

we're so stupid

[mtangelsfan]

Wow

[HaloFan85]

Was just looking some videos on youtube and a few caught my attention.

 

Kiev has been claiming they're only specifically targeting and fighting "terrorists" in the East??  Looks like they're bombing indiscriminately to me.

 

 

Another angle (or separate attack, not sure):

 

 

 

Lots of telling videos on youtube being uploaded.

 

[Amazing Larry]

I think that aircraft is actually releasing flares to defend against heat seeking missiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flare_(countermeasure)

[arch stanton]

Yeah that just looks like flares. Bombs tend to go boom when they land.

[HaloFan85]

Can't tell what's burning in the first part of this video, but it might be a good idea for the cameraman to keep his head down next time:

 

Edited May 31, 2014 by HaloFan85

[Amazing Larry]

Ok Kiev is definitely bombing their citizens for reals now. There is a video out on the internets of the Lugansk Health Minister lying around dead bodies in front of a building with her leg blown off asking for a cell phone (she eventually died). Good luck ever hearing about that in the US media.

Here's a link to the story.

http://rt.com/news/163076-ukraine-lugansk-clashes-jet/

Edited June 3, 2014 by Lawrence

[HaloFan85]

War is inevitable now that Russia and China have agreed to a 30-year gas deal that won't be done in dollars.  No amount of sanctions can stop that deal from happening, and the US (in their minds) cannot allow that deal to go through.  So all that's left to stop it is war.

 

NATO is expanding to the borders of Russia, and Obama is arming Ukraine and has stated he'll be sending more US troops into eastern Europe in the coming months.  Obama has also agreed to increase US naval bases and operations in the seas around China.  The writing is on the wall.

 

Russia stated they'll be conducting over 100 missile tests, including up to a dozen ICBM tests by the end of the year.  I even read that Russia will be giving basic military training to 400 of their civil servants and politicians.  Russia and China will be completely surrounded by the end of this year or early next year (which they're well aware of), so they're now increasing joint military exercises.

 

Good times!

[Amazing Larry]

The prime minister has resigned and his ruling party has collapsed. Time for new elections.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/intense-battles-continue-in-eastern-ukraineaustralia-to-send-police-to-guard-crash-site/2014/07/24/2c6bc1c0-1315-11e4-8936-26932bcfd6ed_story.html

 

[Hollyw00d]

Yeah, an actual war seems pretty unlikely. Everything is at stake. No country that big can risk everything. No one wants a full scale war. Not us. Not Russia. Not China. No one.

Yeah, an actual war seems pretty unlikely. Everything is at stake. No country that big can risk everything. No one wants a full scale war. Not us. Not Russia. Not China. No one.

You're naive if you think it can't or wouldn't happen.

[HaloMagic]

I'm naive to believe we won't go to war with a country we haven't gone to war with for 70 years despite being mortal enemies? Okay.

We won't be going to war with Russia. Both sides have too much to lose. MAD is a really thing and it's the biggest deterrent nations have ever seen.

[Lou]

The prime minister has resigned and his ruling party has collapsed. Time for new elections.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/intense-battles-continue-in-eastern-ukraineaustralia-to-send-police-to-guard-crash-site/2014/07/24/2c6bc1c0-1315-11e4-8936-26932bcfd6ed_story.html

 

Pete Carrol was the Prime Minister of Ukraine? 

[Amazing Larry]

Russian military vehicles enter Ukraine.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/14/russian-military-vehicles-enter-ukraine-aid-convoy-stops-short-border

[Amazing Larry]

It's heating up over there.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/world/europe/ukraine-russia.html?_r=0

[Tank]

"Financial markets in Europe and the United States swooned on news of the incursion, while oil prices jumped."

 

 

yay.

[Amazing Larry]

Russia moved the aid convoy into Ukraine without permission. NATO is now stating that Russian artillery is firing on Ukraine from both Russian and Ukrainian territory. 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-humanitarian-convoy-enters-ukraine-despite-warnings/2014/08/22/7b14fa8e-29e1-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html