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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 12:22 PM (#1937582)
Subject: ST competition




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Looks like the Angels have a few invitees. Which jobs are up for grabs? Looks like are starting lineup is already set. Same goes with starting pitching. Wondering if the closer job is up for grabs. How about the bullpen? Outfield or infield?
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cezero
Posted 2013-02-10 12:28 PM (#1937586 - in reply to #1937582)
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they're having a star trek competition?

awesome!
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gotbeer
Posted 2013-02-10 12:31 PM (#1937587 - in reply to #1937582)
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More like the bench spots. You have starting pitching 5 + 8 position + DH. So that's 14. Conger would be the backup C that's 15. Madson, Frieri, Downs, Jepson, Williams, Burnett is 6 relievers. So that's 21. Then there is Wells. So that leaves 3 spots open. Backup infielder or two and another backup OF is my guess. Unless they go to 7 in the pen.
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AngelsAndRamsFan
Posted 2013-02-10 12:33 PM (#1937588 - in reply to #1937582)
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The minor league invites will make good minor league filler.
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 12:36 PM (#1937591 - in reply to #1937588)
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What if the unthinkable happens? ... BP sucks in ST and Wells shines?
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gotbeer
Posted 2013-02-10 12:42 PM (#1937595 - in reply to #1937582)
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I think it's PB's spot regardless. If Wells shines, let's hope someone buys the cool aide.
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mancini79
Posted 2013-02-10 12:50 PM (#1937601 - in reply to #1937595)
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I would say all position spots are already locked up. But a pen guy could win a spot.
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tdawg87
Posted 2013-02-10 1:18 PM (#1937619 - in reply to #1937591)
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Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 12:36 PM

What if the unthinkable happens? ... BP sucks in ST and Wells shines?


It's spring training. No one would give a sh*t.
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AZMike
Posted 2013-02-10 1:42 PM (#1937627 - in reply to #1937586)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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cezero - 2013-02-10 12:28 PM

they're having a star trek competition?

awesome!


They are but their choice of door prize, a Star Trek "ultimate" Star Trek Utility belt is highly illogical, considering the average Trekker has no use for a medium belt...

Edited by AZMike 2013-02-10 1:56 PM
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2013-02-10 1:42 PM (#1937628 - in reply to #1937582)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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1. Every spot in the bullpen is up for grabs between the likes of Madson, Burnett, Frieri, Downs, Jepsen, Carpenter, Kohn, Williams, Richards, Brasier, Geltz, Taylor and Sisk.
- Really there's only one spot up for grabs and that'll be between Carpenter, Kohn, Geltz, Taylor and Sisk. They'll want to keep Richards in the rotation in SLC.

2. The backup catcher spot between John Hester and Hank Conger.
- Really doesn't matter who wins this spot, they'll be interchanged between majors and AAA on a regular basis.

3. Backup infielder spots between Andrew Romine, Tommy Field, Bill Hall and Luis Jimenez.
- Jimenez is out of the running because he only plays one spot. Hall isn't a shortstop anymore, so he's basically out too. It comes down to Tommy Field or Andrew Romine.

4. Backup OF spot between Wells, Calhoun and Cousins.
- If Wells doesn't hit at all in Spring, he'll be cut loose early in the season.

Something not being mentioned, the AAA rotation doesn't look half bad. Richards, Enright, Schugel, Cassevah and Mills.


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AZMike
Posted 2013-02-10 1:46 PM (#1937629 - in reply to #1937628)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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ScottyAllenLAAI - 2013-02-10 1:42 PM

1. Every spot in the bullpen is up for grabs between the likes of Madson, Burnett, Frieri, Downs, Jepsen, Carpenter, Kohn, Williams, Richards, Brasier, Geltz, Taylor and Sisk.
- Really there's only one spot up for grabs and that'll be between Carpenter, Kohn, Geltz, Taylor and Sisk. They'll want to keep Richards in the rotation in SLC.

2. The backup catcher spot between John Hester and Hank Conger.
- Really doesn't matter who wins this spot, they'll be interchanged between majors and AAA on a regular basis.

3. Backup infielder spots between Andrew Romine, Tommy Field, Bill Hall and Luis Jimenez.
- Jimenez is out of the running because he only plays one spot. Hall isn't a shortstop anymore, so he's basically out too. It comes down to Tommy Field or Andrew Romine.

4. Backup OF spot between Wells, Calhoun and Cousins.
- If Wells doesn't hit at all in Spring, he'll be cut loose early in the season.

Something not being mentioned, the AAA rotation doesn't look half bad. Richards, Enright, Schugel, Cassevah and Mills.


Is Maronde going to be involved in spring training at all? and will he be in the starting rotation at AA again?
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2013-02-10 1:52 PM (#1937631 - in reply to #1937582)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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He'll be there at Spring, but given the Angels recent bullpen and rotation acquisitions, it's clear that Dipoto is keeping him in the rotation. Given how long many of the starters are signed and the fill options we have available (Richards, Williams, Enright, Schugel, Mills), there's really no reason to rush Maronde. So we'll see him back in AA this season, and I expect he'll probably spend the full year there before competing with the aforementioned AAA starters for a spot in the rotation in 2014. Regardless, I expect him to be in the rotation by 2015, if not sooner.
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 1:59 PM (#1937633 - in reply to #1937619)
Subject: Re: ST competition




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tdawg87 - 2013-02-10 1:18 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 12:36 PM

What if the unthinkable happens? ... BP sucks in ST and Wells shines?


It's spring training. No one would give a sh*t.


So you don't give a sh*t if Bourjos struggles in ST?
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ukyah
Posted 2013-02-10 2:23 PM (#1937640 - in reply to #1937633)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 1:59 PM

tdawg87 - 2013-02-10 1:18 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 12:36 PM

What if the unthinkable happens? ... BP sucks in ST and Wells shines?


It's spring training. No one would give a sh*t.


So you don't give a sh*t if Bourjos struggles in ST?


obviously, you'd feel better if he was hitting well in spring, but the pudding says spring training doesn't matter AT ALL and we all know the proof is in the pudding.
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Blarg
Posted 2013-02-10 2:27 PM (#1937644 - in reply to #1937586)
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cezero - 2013-02-10 12:28 PM

they're having a star trek competition?

awesome!
Ok, this is going to be difficult. Of course Mike Trout is Captain Kirk, Hamilton as Bones (who knows more about drugs?), Trumbo as Scotty, Aybar as a Klingon (no makeup required) Pujols as Kahn, Bourjos going as Checkov, Kendrik as Lt. Uhura, Wells is one of those security guys that beam down but never returns and I can see maybe Conger as Sulu but you guys gotta help me here on Spock.
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 2:40 PM (#1937650 - in reply to #1937644)
Subject: Re: ST competition




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Personally I like to see Wells in LF ... if he has a strong ST. He's capable of hitting .250+ and 25 HR's and 70-80 rbi's.
I prefer PB in the utility role and Trout in CF. I don't believe our defense will be that much better to compensate for his weak bat. I guess will have so see how this season plays out.

I would love for the Angels to get a veteran infield utility player.

Edited by Troll Daddy 2013-02-10 2:42 PM
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Wallerrrr
Posted 2013-02-10 3:23 PM (#1937661 - in reply to #1937640)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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ukyah - 2013-02-10 2:23 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 1:59 PM

tdawg87 - 2013-02-10 1:18 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 12:36 PM

What if the unthinkable happens? ... BP sucks in ST and Wells shines?


It's spring training. No one would give a sh*t.


So you don't give a sh*t if Bourjos struggles in ST?


obviously, you'd feel better if he was hitting well in spring, but the pudding says spring training doesn't matter AT ALL and we all know the proof is in the pudding.


PB value is more in his defense anyways. i dont think anyone is expecting him to "tear it up" offensively.
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Vegas Halo Fan
Posted 2013-02-10 4:43 PM (#1937695 - in reply to #1937619)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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tdawg87 - 2013-02-10 1:18 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 12:36 PM

What if the unthinkable happens? ... BP sucks in ST and Wells shines?


It's spring training. No one would give a sh*t.

It's just like spring team records. Teams who win big in March generally suck once the games start counting.
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KMo34
Posted 2013-02-10 4:57 PM (#1937702 - in reply to #1937650)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 2:40 PM

Personally I like to see Wells in LF ... if he has a strong ST. He's capable of hitting .250+ and 25 HR's and 70-80 rbi's.
I prefer PB in the utility role and Trout in CF. I don't believe our defense will be that much better to compensate for his weak bat. I guess will have so see how this season plays out.

I would love for the Angels to get a veteran infield utility player.


Please be joking
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Vegas Halo Fan
Posted 2013-02-10 5:03 PM (#1937704 - in reply to #1937586)
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cezero - 2013-02-10 12:28 PM

they're having a star trek competition?

No, that's street competition. Stickball.
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 5:24 PM (#1937712 - in reply to #1937702)
Subject: Re: ST competition




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KMo34 - 2013-02-10 4:57 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 2:40 PM

Personally I like to see Wells in LF ... if he has a strong ST. He's capable of hitting .250+ and 25 HR's and 70-80 rbi's.
I prefer PB in the utility role and Trout in CF. I don't believe our defense will be that much better to compensate for his weak bat. I guess will have so see how this season plays out.

I would love for the Angels to get a veteran infield utility player.


Please be joking


Does it sound like I'm kidding? I'm more interested in the team winning that watching PB and Trout run around in circles in the outfield.


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jshep
Posted 2013-02-10 5:32 PM (#1937714 - in reply to #1937582)
Subject: Re: ST competition


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Well, in the interest of the team winning, Vernon's butt should be firmly glued to the bench while Bourjos runs around the OF
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 5:36 PM (#1937717 - in reply to #1937714)
Subject: Re: ST competition




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jshep - 2013-02-10 5:32 PM

Well, in the interest of the team winning, Vernon's butt should be firmly glued to the bench while Bourjos runs around the OF


I'd rather see him running around the bases ... kid can't hit.
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jshep
Posted 2013-02-10 5:40 PM (#1937719 - in reply to #1937717)
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Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 5:36 PM

jshep - 2013-02-10 5:32 PM

Well, in the interest of the team winning, Vernon's butt should be firmly glued to the bench while Bourjos runs around the OF


I'd rather see him running around the bases ... kid can't hit.


But Vernon is going to magically go back to hitting like he did in his mid-late 20s?

Bourjos is a better player.

Edited by jshep 2013-02-10 5:41 PM
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 5:40 PM (#1937720 - in reply to #1937717)
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I think you guys are over valuing the defense with Trout and Bourjos in the OF. There won't be much of a drop off in defense with Wells in LF and Trout in CF.
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jshep
Posted 2013-02-10 5:47 PM (#1937723 - in reply to #1937582)
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You're overrating Vernon's bat. And yes, Trout/Bourjos would be much, much, much better defensively than Wells/Trout.

He's toast and shouldn't be playing unless someone is injured. (and even then, I would rather see Calhoun play, but I don't expect that).

Edited by jshep 2013-02-10 5:51 PM
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Richard
Posted 2013-02-10 6:08 PM (#1937727 - in reply to #1937631)
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ScottyAllenLAAI - 2013-02-10 1:52 PM

He'll be there at Spring, but given the Angels recent bullpen and rotation acquisitions, it's clear that Dipoto is keeping him in the rotation. Given how long many of the starters are signed and the fill options we have available (Richards, Williams, Enright, Schugel, Mills), there's really no reason to rush Maronde. So we'll see him back in AA this season, and I expect he'll probably spend the full year there before competing with the aforementioned AAA starters for a spot in the rotation in 2014. Regardless, I expect him to be in the rotation by 2015, if not sooner.


Recent interviews suggest that right now they view Maronde as a bullpen piece.
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Wallerrrr
Posted 2013-02-10 6:22 PM (#1937736 - in reply to #1937582)
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lol @ an argument being made that Vernon Wells should start...
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2013-02-10 7:11 PM (#1937755 - in reply to #1937727)
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I really doubt they would have traded for Sisk and signed Burnett to compete with Downs and Taylor is they felt that Maronde would be in the pen. Last season, we needed a steady lefty reliever with Downs being injured and Takahashi being gone. This year, we're chalked full of lefties.

I wouldn't mind seeing Maronde in the bullpen, don't get me wrong. But if it were me (and I do believe the Angels will take this route this time around) I'd give Maronde every opportunity to develop as a starter before putting him in the pen.
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 7:21 PM (#1937767 - in reply to #1937736)
Subject: Re: ST competition




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Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 6:22 PM

lol @ an argument being made that Vernon Wells should start...


lol @ your reading comprehension.



Edited by Troll Daddy 2013-02-10 7:24 PM
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disarcina
Posted 2013-02-10 7:53 PM (#1937779 - in reply to #1937582)
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pen spot and MIF depth spot up for grabs (essentially Izturis' roster spot).

I think Bill Hall could make the team -- combo MIF guy (not great a-field, some power, provides depth at 1B-3B as well) and if you keep Romine on the roster, you've got the 2B-SS late inning defense/ PR spot covered.

Catcher -- Ianetta and then probably Conger but Hester could make it interesting with a good ST.

For Conger, it's pretty much a make it or break it ST.
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Posted 2013-02-10 8:33 PM (#1937792 - in reply to #1937767)
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Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 7:21 PM
Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 6:22 PM lol @ an argument being made that Vernon Wells should start...
lol @ your reading comprehension.

Yeah.  Lol @ it

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Wallerrrr
Posted 2013-02-10 8:43 PM (#1937794 - in reply to #1937767)
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Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 7:21 PM

Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 6:22 PM

lol @ an argument being made that Vernon Wells should start...


lol @ your reading comprehension.



my bad. i thought you said Wells is capable of hitting .250+ and 25 HR's and 70-80 rbi's.

oh wait...you did.

I like your game...
....Callaspo is capable of an OPS over .800
....Blanton is capable of a sub 4.00 ERA


your turn buddy
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-10 10:27 PM (#1937868 - in reply to #1937794)
Subject: Re: ST competition




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Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 8:43 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 7:21 PM

Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 6:22 PM

lol @ an argument being made that Vernon Wells should start...


lol @ your reading comprehension.



my bad. i thought you said Wells is capable of hitting .250+ and 25 HR's and 70-80 rbi's.

oh wait...you did.

I like your game...
....Callaspo is capable of an OPS over .800
....Blanton is capable of a sub 4.00 ERA


your turn buddy


One thing we know for sure is that Bourjos isn't capable of coming anywhere close to those numbers based on last season.

At least we know that Wells has done it many times over. The hatred for Wells around here is criminal. He'll never live up to his contract but he is capable of putting up the numbers I suggested. Aside from average in his first season here he put up 25 hrs and 66 rbi's.

I hope Wells and Bourjos compete for the starting spot in ST. Bourjos had a opportunity last season and failed. He needs to prove himself in ST before he is gifted a starting spot.

May the best player win.

Your turn Brian

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GlenM
Posted 2013-02-11 9:01 AM (#1937973 - in reply to #1937868)
Subject: Re: ST competition




Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 10:27 PM

Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 8:43 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 7:21 PM

Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 6:22 PM

lol @ an argument being made that Vernon Wells should start...


lol @ your reading comprehension.



my bad. i thought you said Wells is capable of hitting .250+ and 25 HR's and 70-80 rbi's.

oh wait...you did.

I like your game...
....Callaspo is capable of an OPS over .800
....Blanton is capable of a sub 4.00 ERA


your turn buddy


One thing we know for sure is that Bourjos isn't capable of coming anywhere close to those numbers based on last season.

At least we know that Wells has done it many times over. The hatred for Wells around here is criminal. He'll never live up to his contract but he is capable of putting up the numbers I suggested. Aside from average in his first season here he put up 25 hrs and 66 rbi's.

I hope Wells and Bourjos compete for the starting spot in ST. Bourjos had a opportunity last season and failed. He needs to prove himself in ST before he is gifted a starting spot.

May the best player win.

Your turn Brian






If Wells is capable of putting up the numbers you posted, isn't Bourjos then also capable of putting up the numbers he posted in 2011?
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Wallerrrr
Posted 2013-02-11 9:27 AM (#1937979 - in reply to #1937973)
Subject: Re: ST competition



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GlenM - 2013-02-11 9:01 AM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 10:27 PM

Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 8:43 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 7:21 PM

Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 6:22 PM

lol @ an argument being made that Vernon Wells should start...


lol @ your reading comprehension.



my bad. i thought you said Wells is capable of hitting .250+ and 25 HR's and 70-80 rbi's.

oh wait...you did.

I like your game...
....Callaspo is capable of an OPS over .800
....Blanton is capable of a sub 4.00 ERA


your turn buddy


One thing we know for sure is that Bourjos isn't capable of coming anywhere close to those numbers based on last season.

At least we know that Wells has done it many times over. The hatred for Wells around here is criminal. He'll never live up to his contract but he is capable of putting up the numbers I suggested. Aside from average in his first season here he put up 25 hrs and 66 rbi's.

I hope Wells and Bourjos compete for the starting spot in ST. Bourjos had a opportunity last season and failed. He needs to prove himself in ST before he is gifted a starting spot.

May the best player win.

Your turn Brian






If Wells is capable of putting up the numbers you posted, isn't Bourjos then also capable of putting up the numbers he posted in 2011?


i support glen's post...i'll use that for my turn
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Ithaca
Posted 2013-02-11 9:29 AM (#1937980 - in reply to #1937582)
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Wells is done, especially with the new drug testing.
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gotbeer
Posted 2013-02-11 10:28 AM (#1938018 - in reply to #1937582)
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Vernon Wells, Spring Training:

2011 .277/.333/.426/759
2012 .277/.338/.477/815

Mike Trout Spring Training:
2011 .276/.364/.276/640
2012 .167/.286/.167/453 (6 AB)

Clearly the answer is obvious.

Edited by gotbeer 2013-02-11 10:30 AM
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dochalo
Posted 2013-02-11 10:44 AM (#1938026 - in reply to #1937582)
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I feel like troll daddy is doing his thing in regards to Wells, but for chits and giggles:

Vernon's WAR in his last six season 1.1, 1.8, 0.5, 3.6, -0.8, 0.5. We'll give him a 1.2 for last season if you factor for limited abs. Drop the high and the low and you have 1.1, 1.8, 0.5, 1.2. For an average of 1.2.

Bourjos, even with his awful hitting last year had a WAR of 1.1 in limited PA, so giving him the same courtesy as Vernon, his last year's WAR is around 3.0 to account for limited PA. In 2011, it was 4.8 in 2011.

If you assume full seasons for each last year, Bourjos total over two year is 7.8. Vernon's total over the last six years is 7.6.

Let's not given defensive credit for a second. Vernon's total oWAR over the last two seasons is 1.0. Bourjos' is 3.8.

You can slice and dice the numbers in any direction and even if it comes out even with significant manipulation, Bourjos is younger and the future of CF for the halos.

If your argument is that there is little defensive upgrade between Trout CF/Wells LF vs. Trout LF/Bourjos CF, then I guess it's pointless to even have the discussion.
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ucsbhubs
Posted 2013-02-11 12:13 PM (#1938071 - in reply to #1938026)
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dochalo - 2013-02-11 10:44 AM

I feel like troll daddy is doing his thing in regards to Wells, but for chits and giggles:

Vernon's WAR in his last six season 1.1, 1.8, 0.5, 3.6, -0.8, 0.5. We'll give him a 1.2 for last season if you factor for limited abs. Drop the high and the low and you have 1.1, 1.8, 0.5, 1.2. For an average of 1.2.

Bourjos, even with his awful hitting last year had a WAR of 1.1 in limited PA, so giving him the same courtesy as Vernon, his last year's WAR is around 3.0 to account for limited PA. In 2011, it was 4.8 in 2011.

If you assume full seasons for each last year, Bourjos total over two year is 7.8. Vernon's total over the last six years is 7.6.

Let's not given defensive credit for a second. Vernon's total oWAR over the last two seasons is 1.0. Bourjos' is 3.8.

You can slice and dice the numbers in any direction and even if it comes out even with significant manipulation, Bourjos is younger and the future of CF for the halos.

If your argument is that there is little defensive upgrade between Trout CF/Wells LF vs. Trout LF/Bourjos CF, then I guess it's pointless to even have the discussion.


This is exactly what I wanted to say regarding OF competition. Good post doc! Bourjos had the sophmore slump last year, compounded by low playing time, and not enough consistent At Bats.

As far as Bourjos's ceiling this year, I'd say it's that 5 WAR territory he came close to in in 2011.

In 1994 the Angels rookie center fielder posted a line pretty similar to Bourjos 2011. .273 / .343 / .377 vs. .271 / .327 /.438. The 1994 CF's counting stats look low but he played basically 60% of the games that Bourjos did in 2011. The 1994 center fielder wasn't quite as good as PB in a number of ways.

In 1995, Edmonds exploded to a .290 / .352 / .536 line clubbing 30+ HR and 30+ 2B. Now I don't expect PB to have the kind of power that Edmonds showed that year, but having 65 XBH is possible as I expect 12-15 3B, 15-20 HR, and 30+ 2B. The .290 / .352 / .500+ SLG is possible too. That's Bourjos's offensive potential. That's why they picked him over Morales.

I expect big things from Bourjos in 2013, finding himself offensively to go with supreme defensive performance, for an All-Star Caliber year. He was the Angels best hitter in 2011, but struggled, then found himself a spectator for the rest of the year after Trout came up.

As far as other competitions go, I'd love to see Callaspo relegated to a platoon, but other than that, no real surprises coming into camp. I expect Bill Hall to get a good look at the 2nd utility spot. Romine and Jimenez would also do well. Jimenez would be wise to keep up his hitting from the Carribean series, to show that he deserves some playing time.

5 BP spots are locked up, (Madson, Frieri, Jepsen, Burnett, Downs) Williams is a near certainty as well. That leaves the guys others have mentioned in competition for a hypothetical 7th spot, though I think with the rotation durability…Macier Izturis and Bobby Wilson may be the hardest to replace after of course Torii Hunter whom Hamilton should replace admirably….so my thoughts are they go with 11 pitchers, 14 position players.

The five bench spots will go to

Vernon Wells, Hank Conger and two backup infielders. Either Romine and Hall, Romine and Jimenez, or Jimenez and Hall. Would be my picks. Hall or Jimenez becomes your primary backup at 3rd, Callaspo your primary backup at 2nd, and Romine your primary backup at Short.



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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-11 12:37 PM (#1938081 - in reply to #1937979)
Subject: Re: ST competition




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Wallerrrr - 2013-02-11 9:27 AM

GlenM - 2013-02-11 9:01 AM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 10:27 PM

Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 8:43 PM

Troll Daddy - 2013-02-10 7:21 PM

Wallerrrr - 2013-02-10 6:22 PM

lol @ an argument being made that Vernon Wells should start...


lol @ your reading comprehension.



my bad. i thought you said Wells is capable of hitting .250+ and 25 HR's and 70-80 rbi's.

oh wait...you did.

I like your game...
....Callaspo is capable of an OPS over .800
....Blanton is capable of a sub 4.00 ERA


your turn buddy


One thing we know for sure is that Bourjos isn't capable of coming anywhere close to those numbers based on last season.

At least we know that Wells has done it many times over. The hatred for Wells around here is criminal. He'll never live up to his contract but he is capable of putting up the numbers I suggested. Aside from average in his first season here he put up 25 hrs and 66 rbi's.

I hope Wells and Bourjos compete for the starting spot in ST. Bourjos had a opportunity last season and failed. He needs to prove himself in ST before he is gifted a starting spot.

May the best player win.

Your turn Brian






If Wells is capable of putting up the numbers you posted, isn't Bourjos then also capable of putting up the numbers he posted in 2011?


i support glen's post...i'll use that for my turn


Of course he is
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-11 1:11 PM (#1938106 - in reply to #1938081)
Subject: Re: ST competition




Location: Costa Mesa
"In 1994 the Angels rookie center fielder posted a line pretty similar to Bourjos 2011. .273 / .343 / .377 vs. .271 / .327 /.438. The 1994 CF's counting stats look low but he played basically 60% of the games that Bourjos did in 2011. The 1994 center fielder wasn't quite as good as PB in a number of ways.

In 1995, Edmonds exploded to a .290 / .352 / .536 line clubbing 30+ HR and 30+ 2B. Now I don't expect PB to have the kind of power that Edmonds showed that year, but having 65 XBH is possible as I expect 12-15 3B, 15-20 HR, and 30+ 2B. The .290 / .352 / .500+ SLG is possible too. That's Bourjos's offensive potential. That's why they picked him over Morales. "

That's a nice story but unfortunately there are plenty lot more star rookie stories that end in failure. I'm hoping the best for Bourjos but lets not get carried away.

All I'm saying is that I hope management isn't giving Bourjos a bye at the starting position. If I'm the one writing that $42M check ... I need to see some sort of effort from Wells in earning that starting spot.
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dochalo
Posted 2013-02-11 1:18 PM (#1938114 - in reply to #1937582)
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outside of an injury, there is no way Wells has the chance to earn a starting spot. Even if Bourjos has a horrible spring offensively, he will be the opening day CFer. Granted, it would be nice to see Vernon put an effort forward to earn abs and make the best of them when they come, but let's be realistic. They traded Morales to give Bourjos a spot. He will get the lions share of the abs for at least half a season even if he struggles mightily.

I think the halos FO including MS are more inclined to think of Pete as the 2011 guy and lesser so than the 2012 guy. He'll get more than ample opportunity to show which one of those players he is.
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ucsbhubs
Posted 2013-02-11 1:20 PM (#1938119 - in reply to #1937582)
Subject: Re: ST competition



How anyone can hold a guy to numbers he posted when playing primarily mop-up duty for all but 2 months of the year, is ridiculous.

More than half his plate appearances came in April and May, and then he got just 92 in June (where he compiled a .987 OPS), July, August, and September combined.

He didn't start three consecutive games after the end of May. He started just 11 games in the second half. 7 after the All-Star Break. One each in August and September.

Given regular playing time, he'll at least put up similar numbers to 2011 if not a significant improvement over those numbers. Against lefties, I'd like to see him hit #2, and against righties it should be Aybar. They should flip-flop between #2/#9 (unless it's in an NL park).

That way everyone else can get used to their spot, hitting #7, #8, or whatnot.


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ucsbhubs
Posted 2013-02-11 1:22 PM (#1938121 - in reply to #1938106)
Subject: Re: ST competition



Troll Daddy - 2013-02-11 1:11 PM

"In 1994 the Angels rookie center fielder posted a line pretty similar to Bourjos 2011. .273 / .343 / .377 vs. .271 / .327 /.438. The 1994 CF's counting stats look low but he played basically 60% of the games that Bourjos did in 2011. The 1994 center fielder wasn't quite as good as PB in a number of ways.

In 1995, Edmonds exploded to a .290 / .352 / .536 line clubbing 30+ HR and 30+ 2B. Now I don't expect PB to have the kind of power that Edmonds showed that year, but having 65 XBH is possible as I expect 12-15 3B, 15-20 HR, and 30+ 2B. The .290 / .352 / .500+ SLG is possible too. That's Bourjos's offensive potential. That's why they picked him over Morales. "

That's a nice story but unfortunately there are plenty lot more star rookie stories that end in failure. I'm hoping the best for Bourjos but lets not get carried away.

All I'm saying is that I hope management isn't giving Bourjos a bye at the starting position. If I'm the one writing that $42M check ... I need to see some sort of effort from Wells in earning that starting spot.


Just saying it's similar. Wells vs. Bourjos for the starting OF gig, clearly favors Bourjos as both players barely got to play last year. In 2011, one was the best hitter on the team, the other hit .220
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2013-02-11 1:27 PM (#1938124 - in reply to #1938114)
Subject: Re: ST competition




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dochalo - 2013-02-11 1:18 PM

outside of an injury, there is no way Wells has the chance to earn a starting spot. Even if Bourjos has a horrible spring offensively, he will be the opening day CFer. Granted, it would be nice to see Vernon put an effort forward to earn abs and make the best of them when they come, but let's be realistic. They traded Morales to give Bourjos a spot. He will get the lions share of the abs for at least half a season even if he struggles mightily.

I think the halos FO including MS are more inclined to think of Pete as the 2011 guy and lesser so than the 2012 guy. He'll get more than ample opportunity to show which one of those players he is.


You really believe Morales was trade because of Bourjos? nice try ... try again Doc
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David61
Posted 2013-02-11 1:47 PM (#1938135 - in reply to #1937582)
Subject: RE: ST competition




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Look for Shoemaker to bounce back from 1st full season at SLC. He pitched pretty well in Venezuela. 3.21 ERA in 33.2 innings. He has made some adjustments to keep the ball low in the zone and has been working on refining a couple of pitches to induce more ground balls and weak contact. He has always been the underdog, but fights through it with intelligence and toughness between the ears. He also is a workhorse. 177.1 innings in 2011 and 210.3 in 2012 including 33.2 in winter ball. I do not believe 2011 was a fluke. PCL, as we all know, is a tough place to pitch for all pitchers. I hope he gets the chance to open some eyes again this year. I will always be in his corner regardless of the outcome of his baseball career. He is a great young man. I know that first hand.
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Angel Oracle
Posted 2013-02-11 1:57 PM (#1938143 - in reply to #1938135)
Subject: RE: ST competition



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And how many of those 25 HRs by Pop-Up Wells came with runners on base?
Heck, how many came in a close game?
66 rbis on 25 HRs is pretty pathetic run production.
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dochalo
Posted 2013-02-11 2:13 PM (#1938152 - in reply to #1938124)
Subject: Re: ST competition


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Troll Daddy - 2013-02-11 1:27 PM

dochalo - 2013-02-11 1:18 PM

outside of an injury, there is no way Wells has the chance to earn a starting spot. Even if Bourjos has a horrible spring offensively, he will be the opening day CFer. Granted, it would be nice to see Vernon put an effort forward to earn abs and make the best of them when they come, but let's be realistic. They traded Morales to give Bourjos a spot. He will get the lions share of the abs for at least half a season even if he struggles mightily.

I think the halos FO including MS are more inclined to think of Pete as the 2011 guy and lesser so than the 2012 guy. He'll get more than ample opportunity to show which one of those players he is.


You really believe Morales was trade because of Bourjos? nice try ... try again Doc


No. I guess my phrase could be taken that way but that's not what I meant. They chose to trade Morales over Bourjos in order to get a starting pitcher, essentially clearing the way for Pete to be the everday guy. They wouldn't have done what they did if they didn't feel Pete could be the everyday guy.

Also, the relevance of why they traded Morales is secondary to the fact that they did and are where they are.
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Maximus P
Posted 2013-02-11 4:10 PM (#1938248 - in reply to #1938143)
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Angel Oracle - 2013-02-11 1:57 PM

And how many of those 25 HRs by Pop-Up Wells came with runners on base?
Heck, how many came in a close game?
66 rbis on 25 HRs is pretty pathetic run production.



Most of them were in close games....close to being over.
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