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Location: Las Vegas | HaloMagic - 2013-01-03 7:00 PM
If he's not a bigot then why did you call him one? I understand that many people find Hunter's viewpoint distasteful. I would include myself in that group. But to imply he is a bigot with zero evidence to support it shows either a complete misuderstanding of the word or a disregard for accurately describing someone and their actions.
I'm not a fan of playing semantics, it was my silly way of conceding to LT's opinion.
The idea that being gay is wrong has bigotry all over it. No hate needed, just intolerance.
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| cezero - 2013-01-03 7:22 PM
HaloMagic - 2013-01-03 7:00 PM
If he's not a bigot then why did you call him one? I understand that many people find Hunter's viewpoint distasteful. I would include myself in that group. But to imply he is a bigot with zero evidence to support it shows either a complete misuderstanding of the word or a disregard for accurately describing someone and their actions.
herp derp someday i in that knowing definition of the wordz
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| AngelsLakersFan - 2012-12-30 7:34 PM
Halocory22 - 2012-12-30 7:29 PM
Imagine how this board will react once someone on here comes out of the closet. I wonder if it'l be difficult to post under those conditions.
Brandon
That guy was gay and left because of the insensitive gay remarks on AW? I haven't seen him here in while but I figured something happened. |
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| AngelsRedRum - 2013-01-03 8:26 PM HaloMagic - 2013-01-03 7:00 PM If he's not a bigot then why did you call him one? I understand that many people find Hunter's viewpoint distasteful. I would include myself in that group. But to imply he is a bigot with zero evidence to support it shows either a complete misuderstanding of the word or a disregard for accurately describing someone and their actions. I'm not a fan of playing semantics, it was my silly way of conceding to LT's opinion. The idea that being gay is wrong has bigotry all over it. No hate needed, just intolerance. That is total bs. What matters is how you treat somebody. I could take your "2000 year old book" comment to say you are bigoted toward Christians. However, unless you treat them badly, you aren't. You may be wrong, but that's ok. : ) |
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| So you post definitions of a term and the cry semantics? LOL. The discussion was already semantics before I chimed in and you were part of it.
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| mtangelsfan - 2013-01-03 7:31 PM
AngelsRedRum - 2013-01-03 8:26 PM HaloMagic - 2013-01-03 7:00 PM If he's not a bigot then why did you call him one? I understand that many people find Hunter's viewpoint distasteful. I would include myself in that group. But to imply he is a bigot with zero evidence to support it shows either a complete misuderstanding of the word or a disregard for accurately describing someone and their actions. I'm not a fan of playing semantics, it was my silly way of conceding to LT's opinion. The idea that being gay is wrong has bigotry all over it. No hate needed, just intolerance. That is total bs. What matters is how you treat somebody. I could take your "2000 year old book" comment to say you are bigoted toward Christians. However, unless you treat them badly, you aren't. You may be wrong, but that's ok. : )
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Location: Las Vegas | Lifetime - 2013-01-03 7:32 PM
So you post definitions of a term and the cry semantics? LOL. The discussion was already semantics before I chimed in and you were part of it.
Let me rephrase. I cannot beat LT at semantics. So I'm not a fan of it when LT starts to play. :) |
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| mtangelsfan - 2013-01-03 7:31 PM
That is total bs. What matters is how you treat somebody.
there you go with implying the speaking is not an action
it's fine if you really believe that, but surely you realize it makes for a completely vaporous argument, right?
anyhoo, outside of here with the few of us who keep this thread going out of morbid curiosity (well, in my case anyway), this is literally yesterday's news. hunter doesn't strike me as a terrible guy. my own grandmother was a bigot in some ways, but a very nice person in others. whatever wilson suffers from this, it's probably more than he deserves. some of us will continue to be critical of anybody who makes statements like his, while other will tirelessly support the comments. whatever.
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Location: Las Vegas | mtangelsfan - 2013-01-03 7:36 PM
Weird that you keep complaining about LT yet his posts are the ones you keep responding to.
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| mtangelsfan - 2013-01-03 7:47 PM
If voicing opinions were hurting people we should shut down every message board in the world.
profound
i'm going to really ponder that
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Location: Peru | MT acting as Lifetime's knight in shining armour, as usual.
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Location: Peru | Lifetime - 2013-01-03 9:59 PM
Does that make you uncomfortable dude?
Not at all.
Torii might have an issue with it though. |
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| Good for Torii. Now a bunch of liberals have their panties in their wad because of his comments lol.
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| AngelsRedRum - 2013-01-03 6:06 PM Angels_for_life - 2013-01-03 5:54 PM I don't think people understand what it is to be a bigot. Torii being uncomfortable around gays does not make him a bigot, nor does him thinking homosexuality is wrong make him a bigot. Bigotry is defined as hate towards a group. I don't think this qualifies. big·ot [big-uh?t] noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. big·ot·ry [big-uh-tree] noun, plural big·ot·ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. The word and/or description of hate is not found in any definition. (so says the internet ) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"
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| Ordos - 2013-01-01 12:30 AM
Blarg - 2012-12-31 8:39 AM
You should have found a way to work Freddie Mercury into the conversation.
I once slept with a British lesbian at the house of a gay man who kept on about how awesome Freddie Mercury was. Good times.
I once slept in the same bed with a British lesbo too. She was my brother's girlfriend, beautiful and very "friendly".
Anyway....back to the subject.
The person who wrote the article is a jerk. He should find another way to make a living.
I love Torii Hunter and I love my sister-in-law, who happens to be gay.
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Location: Peru | Angels_for_life - 2013-01-04 1:31 AM
AngelsRedRum - 2013-01-03 6:06 PM Angels_for_life - 2013-01-03 5:54 PM I don't think people understand what it is to be a bigot. Torii being uncomfortable around gays does not make him a bigot, nor does him thinking homosexuality is wrong make him a bigot. Bigotry is defined as hate towards a group. I don't think this qualifies. big·ot [big-uh?t] noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. big·ot·ry [big-uh-tree] noun, plural big·ot·ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. The word and/or description of hate is not found in any definition. (so says the internet ) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"
Wouldn't "hating the sin" fall under this definition?
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| the dude abides - 2013-01-04 6:09 AM
Angels_for_life - 2013-01-04 1:31 AM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"
Wouldn't "hating the sin" fall under this definition?
From where I stand (or sit) Torii isn't doing anything that could be construed as hatred or intolerance. But I guess that goes down to how one views intolerance. I view intolerance as an action, not a mindset. Basic definition of tolerant is:
1. Allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.
I don't have any evidence that he hasn't disallowed the existence of gheyism but that's proving a negative. I think we have to assume he has allowed it unless proven otherwise.
His viewpoint and comments can be hurtful, damaging, and distasteful while simultaneously being not bigoted. I believe that to be the case. I think bigot is just simply the wrong word. Doesn't mean Torii is "right" on this one, though.
I should also add, Torii may very well be a bigot. I don't know. I just haven't seen any evidence that would fit that description yet. He just hasn't done anything to limit or restrict anyone from doing anything. The only limitations I've seen are the ones in his own character. That alone doesn't make him a bigot. |
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Location: Peru | Disagree here. I view intolerance/bigotry as a mindset in addition to an action.
Heck, the definition above would mean my own grandmother wasn't an intolerant bigot, given that she didn't disallow the existence of blacks. |
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| Am I wrong to agree with Hunter? He's not saying he wouldn't talk to the guy. He just said he would feel uncomfortable which probably 90% of the ballplayers would...at least at the beginning.
Wasn't there a gay guy in Remember the Titans? Basically, as long as everyone is professional, it just takes a matter of getting accustomed to the situation. I would feel a bit antsy also. I don't know if the reporter messed with Hunter's quotes, but I didn't have a problem with anything that was mentioned in the article. Like so many have said here, I'm sure he's had several gay teammates over the years. I think "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is good, but if someone chooses to come out, then the players have to be professional. |
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| Torridd - 2013-01-04 11:39 AM
Am I wrong to agree with Hunter? He's not saying he wouldn't talk to the guy. He just said he would feel uncomfortable which probably 90% of the ballplayers would...at least at the beginning.
Wasn't there a gay guy in Remember the Titans? Basically, as long as everyone is professional, it just takes a matter of getting accustomed to the situation. I would feel a bit antsy also. I don't know if the reporter messed with Hunter's quotes, but I didn't have a problem with anything that was mentioned in the article. Like so many have said here, I'm sure he's had several gay teammates over the years. I think "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is good, but if someone chooses to come out, then the players have to be professional.
You aren't "wrong". But if you were famous you'd end up in the bad side of a college lesson someday. Times are a'changin'. Soon it won't be "okay" to admit gay people make you uncomfortable. Doesn't mean you're wrong. But the war is pretty much over. And the victors write the history books.
Also, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was oppressive and disgusting. I don't mean to insult you but you might want to look that one up again. Unless you are just referring to the idea of don't ask, don't tell and not the actual military policy. In which case it's still oppressive unless it applies equally to everyone. |
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