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Jammer36
Posted 2012-12-27 7:12 PM (#1911517)
Subject: The Third Team



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Just finished watching that MLB network special on the umpires in the World Series. It was really well done and gave an interesting perspective on the umpire's look of the game. I definitely appreciate the job they do even more after seeing it.
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HaloMagic
Posted 2012-12-27 7:22 PM (#1911519 - in reply to #1911517)
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I appreciate how they continue to miss easy calls on a daily basis.

I hear Armando Galaraga appreciates this as well.
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Halocory22
Posted 2012-12-27 7:22 PM (#1911520 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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I watched it too and I loved it. MLB does such a great job with this stuff. Definitely tip my cap to these umpires.
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ukyah
Posted 2012-12-27 7:28 PM (#1911525 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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my grandfather was an umpire. the umpires we have now are awful and not nearly accountable enough.
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Spencer
Posted 2012-12-27 9:18 PM (#1911559 - in reply to #1911525)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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ukyah - 2012-12-27 7:28 PM my grandfather was an umpire. the umpires we have now are awful and not nearly accountable enough.

A professional umpire in Major League Baseball?

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lhalo
Posted 2012-12-27 9:26 PM (#1911560 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team




Bring on the computers. It's time for MLB to evolve.
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tomsred
Posted 2012-12-27 9:31 PM (#1911561 - in reply to #1911560)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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lhalo - 2012-12-27 9:26 PM

Bring on the computers. It's time for MLB to evolve.


Oh yeah, that won't have any controversy, LOL.
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Scott34
Posted 2012-12-27 9:35 PM (#1911563 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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Love that Iassogna call, " yeah he got you right there, BANG!"
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Jammer36
Posted 2012-12-27 9:53 PM (#1911567 - in reply to #1911563)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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Scott34 - 2012-12-27 9:35 PM

Love that Iassogna call, " yeah he got you right there, BANG!"


That was a great call. The program showed how good of a guy Iassogna is. Really classy guy and very humble.
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slaminsalmon
Posted 2012-12-27 10:23 PM (#1911581 - in reply to #1911525)
Subject: Re: The Third Team




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The only difference between todays umpires and the umpires of yesteryear is that today we have 80 angles to look at every call and its shown over and over again when they blow a call.

Umpiring is going to stay the same as it always has been until MLB catches up with the times and starts utilizing the technology that is present.
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ukyah
Posted 2012-12-27 10:43 PM (#1911585 - in reply to #1911559)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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Spencer - 2012-12-27 9:18 PM

ukyah - 2012-12-27 7:28 PM my grandfather was an umpire. the umpires we have now are awful and not nearly accountable enough.

A professional umpire in Major League Baseball?



he was an umpire in the minor leagues and even got the call for the major leagues...which he declined to be with his wife and young children. (WTF!) i used to tell him how upset that made me, due to the nepotism inherent in all of mlb. i could have been an umpire myself, then all of you could of hated me too.
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ukyah
Posted 2012-12-27 10:44 PM (#1911586 - in reply to #1911581)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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slaminsalmon - 2012-12-27 10:23 PM

The only difference between todays umpires and the umpires of yesteryear is that today we have 80 angles to look at every call and its shown over and over again when they blow a call.

Umpiring is going to stay the same as it always has been until MLB catches up with the times and starts utilizing the technology that is present.



you're right, but goddang there are some brutal calls.
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Soto Speaks
Posted 2012-12-28 8:02 AM (#1911663 - in reply to #1911585)
Subject: Re: The Third Team




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ukyah - 2012-12-27 10:43 PM

Spencer - 2012-12-27 9:18 PM

ukyah - 2012-12-27 7:28 PM my grandfather was an umpire. the umpires we have now are awful and not nearly accountable enough.

A professional umpire in Major League Baseball?



he was an umpire in the minor leagues and even got the call for the major leagues...which he declined to be with his wife and young children. (WTF!) i used to tell him how upset that made me, due to the nepotism inherent in all of mlb. i could have been an umpire myself, then all of you could of hated me too.


We already do. You don't need to be an ump for that Ukyah.
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Soto Speaks
Posted 2012-12-28 8:04 AM (#1911665 - in reply to #1911581)
Subject: Re: The Third Team




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slaminsalmon - 2012-12-27 10:23 PM

The only difference between todays umpires and the umpires of yesteryear is that today we have 80 angles to look at every call and its shown over and over again when they blow a call.

Umpiring is going to stay the same as it always has been until MLB catches up with the times and starts utilizing the technology that is present.


Probably true. I remember having much more respect for umpires in the 70s and 80s as a kid, but when you think about it, the reason that there's so much footage of Lasorda, Martin, Anderson, and Weaver going bonkers on the field is because they were equally as bad.

I wonder what Lasorda thinks now about umpiring compared to his heyday. Not the canned MLB/LA Dodgers "umpires do a great job" company line, but the candid Tommy truthful answer.
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Brian Ilten
Posted 2012-12-28 8:40 AM (#1911683 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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Its DVR'd - I haven't watched it yet. Honestly, when I saw the promos, I figured it was Seligs way of showing the fans, "...see the umps have it rough out there", which I feel is total bullshit because it doesn't have to be as "rough" on them as they make it seem if they would only allow technology to enter in.
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ukyah
Posted 2012-12-28 3:45 PM (#1911961 - in reply to #1911663)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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Soto Speaks - 2012-12-28 8:02 AM

ukyah - 2012-12-27 10:43 PM

Spencer - 2012-12-27 9:18 PM

ukyah - 2012-12-27 7:28 PM my grandfather was an umpire. the umpires we have now are awful and not nearly accountable enough.

A professional umpire in Major League Baseball?



he was an umpire in the minor leagues and even got the call for the major leagues...which he declined to be with his wife and young children. (WTF!) i used to tell him how upset that made me, due to the nepotism inherent in all of mlb. i could have been an umpire myself, then all of you could of hated me too.


We already do. You don't need to be an ump for that Ukyah.


i knew i teed that up for someone.
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gurn67
Posted 2012-12-28 4:05 PM (#1911971 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team


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I'm fine with most of the umpires. I just wish that MLB would get replace of the bottom 10% of MLB umpires with the top minor league umpires each season. Would be happy if I never have to see West, Bucknor, Hernandez, Davidson, etc.. ever on the field again.
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djags45
Posted 2012-12-28 4:21 PM (#1911979 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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I took a History of Baseball class in college, and our professor was friends with a retired MBL ump (worked throughout the 80s and 90s) who came in to give a guest lecture one day. Super good guy with a ton of interesting stories. He stayed late to talk with anyone that wanted to hear more, and brought MLB baseballs as gifts for everyone in our class of about 20. He also confirmed that Barry Bonds has, in fact, always been an ass.
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Mycorona135
Posted 2012-12-28 7:48 PM (#1912006 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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Pretty good documentary, their job isn't easy and I do agree that we should use more instant replay. But they don't deserve personal threats and what not when they miss a call.
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YouthofToday
Posted 2012-12-28 9:14 PM (#1912027 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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MLB needs to remove the human element in calling balls/strikes and evolve to use pitch f/x data. It sure would speed up the game!
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laagamer
Posted 2012-12-28 10:08 PM (#1912039 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: RE: The Third Team



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Ya, I umpire LL and HS baseball.

I watched it, was SO jealous.
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Scott34
Posted 2012-12-28 10:13 PM (#1912042 - in reply to #1912039)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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I would lose so much interest in the sport if we had a pitch f/x automatic zone.
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YouthofToday
Posted 2012-12-28 10:24 PM (#1912046 - in reply to #1912042)
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[QUOTE]Scott34 - 2012-12-28 10:13 PM I would lose so much interest in the sport if we had a pitch f/x automatic zone.

 Why? If anything else this has the potential to cut at least 10 minutes off the game with the home plate umpire telling dugouts, catcher, pitcher and batter to stop complaining about the strike zone. This actually might be the most efficient way to reduce game times outside of automatically calling a ball if a pitch isn't delivered in a set amount of time.

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Scott34
Posted 2012-12-28 10:28 PM (#1912049 - in reply to #1912046)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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Umpires are an integral and unique aspect of the game. They've evolved as the game has evolved and I think they should stay.

More instant replay? Yes. All automatic/robotic calls? No.
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HaloMagic
Posted 2012-12-28 10:44 PM (#1912050 - in reply to #1912049)
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Scott34 - 2012-12-28 10:28 PM

Umpires are an integral and unique aspect of the game. They've evolved as the game has evolved and I think they should stay.

More instant replay? Yes. All automatic/robotic calls? No.


+1. Not a huge fan of zones that change wildly in crucial situations but I'd gladly accept those if it meant keeping all the umpire's unique zones in play. To me, they add the the mental aspect of the game. A player must remember what is and isn't a strike. A pitcher can try to push the bounds. I love that part.
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Vegas Halo Fan
Posted 2012-12-29 11:28 AM (#1912173 - in reply to #1911961)
Subject: Re: The Third Team



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ukyah - 2012-12-28 3:45 PM

Soto Speaks - 2012-12-28 8:02 AM

ukyah - 2012-12-27 10:43 PM

Spencer - 2012-12-27 9:18 PM

ukyah - 2012-12-27 7:28 PM my grandfather was an umpire. the umpires we have now are awful and not nearly accountable enough.

A professional umpire in Major League Baseball?



he was an umpire in the minor leagues and even got the call for the major leagues...which he declined to be with his wife and young children. (WTF!) i used to tell him how upset that made me, due to the nepotism inherent in all of mlb. i could have been an umpire myself, then all of you could of hated me too.


We already do. You don't need to be an ump for that Ukyah.


i knew i teed that up for someone.

When I read your original post, the only questions in my mind were how many posts it would take and who would do it. Major setup.

Edited by Vegas Halo Fan 2012-12-29 11:29 AM
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toddulu
Posted 2012-12-29 12:36 PM (#1912196 - in reply to #1911517)
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Personally, I like the human element of the game. I'm sure that the teams have as much of a scouting report on who is behind the plate as they do of who is on the mound and what they can expect. I say keep the balls/strikes on the guys in blue, but adopt a challenge system similar to the NFL where you only get one a game, or something like that...
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YouthofToday
Posted 2012-12-29 1:31 PM (#1912223 - in reply to #1911517)
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If I was interested in the "ump show" I would be a fan of gymnastics, diving, synchronized swimming or competitive ballroom dancing. I am not.

Eliminate the Ump Show.
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Stradling
Posted 2012-12-29 1:41 PM (#1912227 - in reply to #1912027)
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YouthofToday - 2012-12-28 9:14 PM

MLB needs to remove the human element in calling balls/strikes and evolve to use pitch f/x data. It sure would speed up the game!


No.
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Stradling
Posted 2012-12-29 1:48 PM (#1912229 - in reply to #1912050)
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HaloMagic - 2012-12-28 10:44 PM

Scott34 - 2012-12-28 10:28 PM

Umpires are an integral and unique aspect of the game. They've evolved as the game has evolved and I think they should stay.

More instant replay? Yes. All automatic/robotic calls? No.


+1. Not a huge fan of zones that change wildly in crucial situations but I'd gladly accept those if it meant keeping all the umpire's unique zones in play. To me, they add the the mental aspect of the game. A player must remember what is and isn't a strike. A pitcher can try to push the bounds. I love that part.


I'd be perfectly fine with more instant replays, especially plays at the plate or late in the game. I would be in favor of using it for catches vs traps, and fair foul calls. I would even be ok with a challenge system, that could be tied into trips to the mound. So if you challenge a call and you get it right, you lose a trip to the mound either that inning or if you are hitting then it costs you a trip when you go back out. I would even go as far as saying if you are on defense and you have already made one trip to the mound and you then challenge a call and you lose that challenge you have to change pitchers. If you don't have someone warming up, then that guy has 8 pitches on the mound to get warm, just like a relief pitcher has today. Then you still have the mental part of the game intertwined with the technology. The manager has a lot of things to consider before he goes out there are argues or asks for a challenge.
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IEBRUIN
Posted 2012-12-29 2:30 PM (#1912239 - in reply to #1912027)
Subject: Re: The Third Team




YouthofToday - 2012-12-28 9:14 PM MLB needs to remove the human element in calling balls/strikes and evolve to use pitch f/x data. It sure would speed up the game!

how would that speed up the game? It's not like the umps take 2 minutes to call each pitch

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IEBRUIN
Posted 2012-12-29 2:35 PM (#1912242 - in reply to #1911519)
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HaloMagic - 2012-12-27 7:22 PM I appreciate how they continue to miss easy calls on a daily basis. I hear Armando Galaraga appreciates this as well.

He understood that people make mistakes. Armando Galarraga : "...Joyce "probably feels more bad than me. Nobody's perfect. Everybody's human. I understand. I give the guy a lot of credit for saying, 'I need to talk to you.' You don't see an umpire tell you that after a game. I gave him a hug."

 

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IEBRUIN
Posted 2012-12-29 2:38 PM (#1912244 - in reply to #1911979)
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djags45 - 2012-12-28 4:21 PM I took a History of Baseball class in college...

 great, another trogan

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IEBRUIN
Posted 2012-12-29 2:40 PM (#1912247 - in reply to #1911517)
Subject: RE: The Third Team




Jammer36 - 2012-12-27 7:12 PM Just finished watching that MLB network special on the umpires in the World Series. It was really well done and gave an interesting perspective on the umpire's look of the game. I definitely appreciate the job they do even more after seeing it.

 I enjoyed the show,but it would have been better if they had included more on-the-field scenes.  I liked when they showed the interaction between the umps and the players.

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IEBRUIN
Posted 2012-12-29 2:40 PM (#1912248 - in reply to #1911517)
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* i just pulled a storm in this thread
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tdawg87
Posted 2012-12-29 2:41 PM (#1912250 - in reply to #1911517)
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Bruin doing his best stormngt impression.
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tdawg87
Posted 2012-12-29 2:41 PM (#1912251 - in reply to #1911517)
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God dammit
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IEBRUIN
Posted 2012-12-29 2:42 PM (#1912254 - in reply to #1911517)
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hilarious
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AngelsAndRamsFan
Posted 2012-12-29 2:43 PM (#1912255 - in reply to #1912248)
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IEBRUIN - 2012-12-29 2:40 PM

* i just pulled a storm in this thread


You forgot the "!!!"
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IEBRUIN
Posted 2012-12-29 2:55 PM (#1912263 - in reply to #1911517)
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and the spelling errors
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Ten Ocho Recon Scout
Posted 2012-12-29 3:58 PM (#1912298 - in reply to #1911560)
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lhalo - 2012-12-27 9:26 PM

Bring on the computers. It's time for MLB to evolve.
and then skynet became self-aware..
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HaloMagic
Posted 2012-12-29 4:04 PM (#1912301 - in reply to #1912263)
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IEBRUIN - 2012-12-29 2:55 PM

and the spelling errors


And for some reason your posts weren't completely incoherent and loaded with every type of orthographical error, from syntax to grammar.

You actually kinda suck at "pulling a storm."
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