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Location: 5280' (+/- 200) | AngelsAndRamsFan - 2012-12-06 1:39 AM
Mark68 - 2012-12-06 12:23 AM
AngelsAndRamsFan - 2012-12-05 10:28 PM
YouthofToday - 2012-12-05 9:07 PM
Blanton >> Saunders.
Not by much, but by enough. I don't understand the Saunders fanboy infatuation at AW.
People that think Saunders are better than Joe fricken Blanton are Saunders fanboys?? Lol. You sound like a Blanton fanboy when you say you like the signing.
Blanton career:
4.37 ERA
1.336 WHIP
1.1 HR/9
2.4 BB/9
6.1 K/9
2.59 K/BB
Age 31 (32 on 12/11 )
Saunders career:
4.15 ERA
1.369 WHIP
1.1 HR/9
2.7 BB/9
5.1 K/9
1.87 K/BB
Age 31 (32 on 6/16 )
Joe Blanton is a right-handed, cheaper version of Joe Saunders.
You and Blag don't get it. I wouldn't have been happy if the Angels signed Saunders. He's the lesser of two evils. My dislike for Blanton isn't only about the terrible contract that he signed. Even if he signed a 1 year deal for 2-3 million, I wouldn't have been ok with it. I'd rather have Richards get a shot. At least he has some upside. Blanton will be DFA'd by the Angels before his two year contract is completed.
No, I get it. I was pointing that out to the benefit of all those who were just dying to get Saunders.
I have as much faith in Richards for this year as you have in Blanton. I don't want Richards to be the 5th starter on the major league roster this year. I want him to hone his craft in the minors.
I'd much rather have Richards be an "In case of fire, break glass" option than a full-time starter every 5 days in Anaheim.
Edited by Mark68 2012-12-06 12:46 AM
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| All I said was Saunders was going to cost more. Not sure why ramsfan has his panties in a wad. |
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| Since his first full season in 2005, Blanton has started 228 games, and of those, 126 were quality starts. If I looked it up correctly, no pitcher has had at least 228 starts in the same time frame and had fewer quality starts than Blanton.
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| HaloU2 - 2012-12-05 11:57 PM
ukyah - 2012-12-05 11:49 PM
i have nothing to add to this thread other than to say, the nickname "dipshito" is about as undeserved and retarded a nickname as i have seen around here yet.
carry on.
Although I too agree it is undeserved, DePuto made me LOL.
at least that's funny. it made me laugh too. deputo shows a little wit, that would probably make jerry laugh at least a little. |
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| Blarg - 2012-12-05 9:09 PM
AngelsAndRamsFan - 2012-12-05 9:03 PM
bumpygrimes - 2012-12-05 8:57 PM
Joe Blanton = Joe Saunders
I wasn't interested in signing Saunders, but I'd much rather sign Saunders over Blanton. Saunders will cost more. Still interested?
This. On the fangraphs thingy that was linked they projected he'd get 2 years 16 mill. I'm not thrilled or even happy with this move but I'm not sure that we appreciate how much the market has inflated this year. That said I'd rather have marcum at 2/20 like that page suggests but hey maybe we get both?
Edit: @mark, wow their numbers are strikingly similar, and saunders appears to be worth a million or two more. It's amazing how the market has inflated
Edited by Linky 2012-12-06 4:30 AM
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| notherhalo - 2012-12-05 8:30 PM time to subtract 18 wins from the season Huh? |
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| i am curious, and not sure how these contracts work, but say the angels sign 1-2 more pitchers for depth, can they then trade Blanton, say in February or March for minor leaguers or salary relief?
or does the contract state he has to be with the club for a certain amount of time? |
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Location: Dark Side of the Moon | Who would have guessed a Joe Blanton thread would be the longest of Winter Meetings. |
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| Jimmag - 2012-12-06 9:08 AM
Who would have guessed a Joe Blanton thread would be the longest of Winter Meetings.
Cy Blanton approves of this post.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/blantcy01.shtml
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| HaloFan85 - 2012-12-06 1:05 AM
Since his first full season in 2005, Blanton has started 228 games, and of those, 126 were quality starts. If I looked it up correctly, no pitcher has had at least 228 starts in the same time frame and had fewer quality starts than Blanton.
Could be cause he was a 5-6 inning guy due to pitches thrown when he was with Oakland and early with Philly. Quality start happens after 7. |
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| Meh. Kind of disappointing if we dont make any more moves, but he's fine for a back-end guy. Im not sure why he required a two-year deal. Who else was bidding for him?
Its not that much money in todays market. |
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Location: Dark Side of the Moon | OTT - 2012-12-06 10:05 AM Meh. Kind of disappointing if we dont make any more moves, but he's fine for a back-end guy. Im not sure why he required a two-year deal. Who else was bidding for him? Its not that much money in todays market. huh huh huh he said back end.
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| SO CAL HALOS FAN - 2012-12-06 9:52 AM HaloFan85 - 2012-12-06 1:05 AM Since his first full season in 2005, Blanton has started 228 games, and of those, 126 were quality starts. If I looked it up correctly, no pitcher has had at least 228 starts in the same time frame and had fewer quality starts than Blanton. Could be cause he was a 5-6 inning guy due to pitches thrown when he was with Oakland and early with Philly. Quality start happens after 7. How would that make it any better? What I was really trying to point out was his quality start% of games started. Since 2005, there are 30 pitchers, including Blanton, with at least the same number of quality starts (126). Among those 30, Blanton ranks 28th in quality start%. Bottom line is he hasn't pitched a whole lot of quality innings over his career. Heck, even Ervin Santana has 7 more quality starts and did so in only 5 more starts over the same period. You can talk about pitching in bandboxes, but he's given up more home runs on the road since being traded to Philly in 2008. |
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| so far Santa has not come through all we got was stuff no one else wanted hope and pray maybe we can land two 32-34 year old pitchers and duplicate 2002 (Aaron Sele & Kevin Appier) |
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| so whats the *update? |
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| gil4life10 - 2012-12-05 5:50 PM
I hate this deal. Horrible pitcher to target, given the needs of the Angels.
However, he did have a 166/34 K/BB ratio last year and his HR total should be suppressed pitching in the marine layer. He pounds the zone, pitching to contact which plays to the Angels defensive strengths (especially Trout and Bourjos in the OF). That said, keep him far away from Arlington.
Don't get me wrong, this is a bad deal. But maybe it's not as bad as we think.
These are my thoughts as well. I think he can be a quality piece on this team - just not a big piece, and certainly not a $15 million piece worth a two year commitment. |
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| ettin - 2012-12-05 7:46 PM
This is a pure advanced statistical play on Dipoto's part. Blanton's xFIP in 2011 was 3.15 and in 2012 was 3.39 while his SIERA in both those years was 3.20 and 3.45, respectively. Dipoto signed him because he firmly believes that Anaheim stadium and our elite outfield defense will rein in Blanton's ERA to somewhere around 3.30-3.50 which will be quite satisfactory for a #4 type in our rotation.
It is a very plain vanilla signing that doesn't, on the face of it, look impressive. Gutsy move to add value to the rotation.
I have to say, as much as I wouldn't have made a move like this I do like that DiPoto is confident enough to make a deal that, on its face, looks atrocious.
Blanton's skill set should fit in well with this team and ballpark, and DiPoto is gambling that it does. My concern is that there is not much upside here. We can really use the arms (which was the reason I wanted to see Haren and Santana come back) but at $15 million - and it being Joe Blanton (his career is no where near that of Santana or Haren) - he is a significant investment. |
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| KingJustinian - 2012-12-05 9:40 PM
Cespedes - 2012-12-06 12:34 AM
Joe Blanton has been unlucky, or the FIP has missed on him. Either way, he is now in a pitchers parks along with an elite defense. He will be good for the Angels.
I am not sure on the contract details.
I just looked up what FIP is, and apparently it's (HR+BB-K )/IP according to http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Everything-yo...
It assumes that hits that aren't HR's arent the pitchers fault. If the pitcher gets balls hit hard against him, that wouldn't show in FIP would it?
No but it would show in SIERRA |
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| Accoring to TRA+ from statcorner, Blanton has bettered Santana in every season but that velocity induced '08. Unlike FIP, that includes batted ball profliles. |
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| I don't like that when this moves fails Dipoto will be given a pass by some who will just say "He took a risk. It just didn't work out." Blanton sucks. There is no risk. He won't be good. For sure. |
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Location: 5280' (+/- 200) | Linky - 2012-12-06 5:20 AM
Blarg - 2012-12-05 9:09 PM
AngelsAndRamsFan - 2012-12-05 9:03 PM
bumpygrimes - 2012-12-05 8:57 PM
Joe Blanton = Joe Saunders
I wasn't interested in signing Saunders, but I'd much rather sign Saunders over Blanton. Saunders will cost more. Still interested?
This. On the fangraphs thingy that was linked they projected he'd get 2 years 16 mill. I'm not thrilled or even happy with this move but I'm not sure that we appreciate how much the market has inflated this year. That said I'd rather have marcum at 2/20 like that page suggests but hey maybe we get both?
Edit: @mark, wow their numbers are strikingly similar, and saunders appears to be worth a million or two more. It's amazing how the market has inflated
Saunders gets paid more for two reasons:
1) He's a lefty
2) He has somehow attained a reputation of being better than he is. |
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Location: Fullerton,CA | I've cooled down a little on this.
If he ever pitched to his XFIP or SIERA he would be paid near 100M. |
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| This is going to be a bump worthy thread I believe. |
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| Cespedes - 2012-12-06 10:23 PM
This is going to be a bump worthy thread I believe.
Yep just add it to the long list of Wells threads |
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| Mark68 - 2012-12-06 9:32 PM
Linky - 2012-12-06 5:20 AM
Blarg - 2012-12-05 9:09 PM
AngelsAndRamsFan - 2012-12-05 9:03 PM
bumpygrimes - 2012-12-05 8:57 PM
Joe Blanton = Joe Saunders
I wasn't interested in signing Saunders, but I'd much rather sign Saunders over Blanton. Saunders will cost more. Still interested?
This. On the fangraphs thingy that was linked they projected he'd get 2 years 16 mill. I'm not thrilled or even happy with this move but I'm not sure that we appreciate how much the market has inflated this year. That said I'd rather have marcum at 2/20 like that page suggests but hey maybe we get both?
Edit: @mark, wow their numbers are strikingly similar, and saunders appears to be worth a million or two more. It's amazing how the market has inflated
Saunders gets paid more for two reasons:
1 ) He's a lefty
2 ) He has somehow attained a reputation of being better than he is.
3) He can pitch better than gas-can Blanton.
He did pretty well in the AL when he joined BAL, he didnt get many wins due to run support.
Blanton would gotten routed in every game in the AL East if the Os got him. |
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| The only thing I like is that Blanton once hit a HR while his eyes were closed in the 2008 World Series. |
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Location: 5280' (+/- 200) | Morales4MVP - 2012-12-07 12:19 AM
Mark68 - 2012-12-06 9:32 PM
Linky - 2012-12-06 5:20 AM
Blarg - 2012-12-05 9:09 PM
AngelsAndRamsFan - 2012-12-05 9:03 PM
bumpygrimes - 2012-12-05 8:57 PM
Joe Blanton = Joe Saunders
I wasn't interested in signing Saunders, but I'd much rather sign Saunders over Blanton. Saunders will cost more. Still interested?
This. On the fangraphs thingy that was linked they projected he'd get 2 years 16 mill. I'm not thrilled or even happy with this move but I'm not sure that we appreciate how much the market has inflated this year. That said I'd rather have marcum at 2/20 like that page suggests but hey maybe we get both?
Edit: @mark, wow their numbers are strikingly similar, and saunders appears to be worth a million or two more. It's amazing how the market has inflated
Saunders gets paid more for two reasons:
1 ) He's a lefty
2 ) He has somehow attained a reputation of being better than he is.
3 ) He can pitch better than gas-can Blanton.
He did pretty well in the AL when he joined BAL, he didnt get many wins due to run support.
Blanton would gotten routed in every game in the AL East if the Os got him.
He's no better than Blanton. Look at the stats that I posted earlier in this thread. They are essentially mirror images of each other.
Which is where reason number 2 comes in.
EDIT: Here are the career stats for the two.
Blanton career:
4.37 ERA
1.336 WHIP
1.1 HR/9
2.4 BB/9
6.1 K/9
2.59 K/BB
Age 31 (32 on 12/11)
Saunders career:
4.15 ERA
1.369 WHIP
1.1 HR/9
2.7 BB/9
5.1 K/9
1.87 K/BB
Age 31 (32 on 6/16)
Edited by Mark68 2012-12-07 12:02 AM
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| Last time Blanton was any good was 2009.
Odd he has a 4.88 K/BB which is really good but gives up way too many runs.
Maybe the Defense will help him. |
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Location: 5280' (+/- 200) | Morales4MVP - 2012-12-07 1:04 AM
Last time Blanton was any good was 2009.
Odd he has a 4.88 K/BB which is really good but gives up way too many runs.
Maybe the Defense will help him.
For where he is in the rotation, he doesn't need to be good. He needs to be adequate and eat innings, he'll probably fit that bill well enough.
It will help having 2/3 of the outfield patrolled by Trout & Bourjos. |
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| Really don't understand this signing.
Hope Blanton proves me wrong.
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| Terrible signing. Blanton is a bad pitcher. End of story |
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Location: 5280' (+/- 200) | angelduck - 2012-12-07 8:43 AM
Terrible signing. Blanton is a bad pitcher. End of story
Nope. The end of the story is in two years. |
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| Mark68 - 2012-12-07 1:57 PM
angelduck - 2012-12-07 8:43 AM
Terrible signing. Blanton is a bad pitcher. End of story
Nope. The end of the story is in two years.
exactly. i'm not a fan of the signing in any way and there's plenty of information to argue against this signing, even to have low expectations, but we won't "know" until we see how it played out.
this actually has the potential to be a "dipoto is god" signing, because if blanton is successful with the angels there will be a lot of people hanging onto dipoto's jockstrap. |
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