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Chuck Richter
Posted 2012-12-03 12:46 AM (#1890294)
Subject: The Official AngelsWin.com Winter Meetings Thread



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Think of this as a Gameday thread for all the latest news, rumors, signings and trades seen or heard from Nashville, TN.

Go Dipoto, Go!
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rangersfan#1
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890041 - in reply to #1890294)
Subject: Winter Meetings



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Hello Angels fans

Thought I'd drop by and see how you guys were doing before the excitement starts tomorrow! What do you guys see your team doing? Just curious.

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Vladdy#27
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890045 - in reply to #1890041)
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Pitching with a little bit more pitching. Then maybe some more pitching.
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bdavis621
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890051 - in reply to #1890045)
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And then some more Pitching!!!
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Hamiltown
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890052 - in reply to #1890041)
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rangersfan#1 - 2012-12-02 2:57 PM

Hello Angels fans

Thought I'd drop by and see how you guys were doing before the excitement starts tomorrow! What do you guys see your team doing? Just curious.

We plan on signing free agents like Zack Greinke, Mike Adams, Josh Hamilton, Mark Lowe and Koji Uehara. What are you guys going to do?
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Dude von Dudenstein
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890055 - in reply to #1890041)
Subject: Re: Winter Meetings



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Trade Bourjos for Stanton
Trade Cron and Lindsey for Price
Sign Brian Wilson
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Vladdy#27
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890057 - in reply to #1890052)
Subject: RE: Winter Meetings



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ToriiTown - 2012-12-02 3:12 PM

rangersfan#1 - 2012-12-02 2:57 PM

Hello Angels fans

Thought I'd drop by and see how you guys were doing before the excitement starts tomorrow! What do you guys see your team doing? Just curious.

We plan on signing free agents like Zack Greinke, Mike Adams, Josh Hamilton, Mark Lowe and Koji Uehara. What are you guys going to do?


Uehara isn't a free agent unless the Rangers released him or non tendered him
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rangersfan#1
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890058 - in reply to #1890055)
Subject: Re: Winter Meetings



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Dude von Dudenstein - 2012-12-02 5:15 PM

Trade Bourjos for Stanton
Trade Cron and Lindsey for Price
Sign Brian Wilson


Lol Bourjos for Stanton huh? that would be a laugher
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nato2k
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890062 - in reply to #1890041)
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He forgot to mention Jerome Williams for RA Dickey
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Cespedes
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890063 - in reply to #1890041)
Subject: Re: Winter Meetings


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I heard the Angels were going to get Longoria, A-Rod, or Headley.
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HaloMagic
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890064 - in reply to #1890055)
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Dude von Dudenstein - 2012-12-02 3:15 PM

Trade Bourjos for Stanton
Trade Cron and Lindsey for Price
Sign Brian Wilson


That's best case scenario, though. We'll probably have to throw in Ryan Bolden on the Stanton deal. Maybe Brad Mills, too.
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Hamiltown
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890065 - in reply to #1890057)
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Vladdy#27 - 2012-12-02 3:19 PM

ToriiTown - 2012-12-02 3:12 PM

rangersfan#1 - 2012-12-02 2:57 PM

Hello Angels fans

Thought I'd drop by and see how you guys were doing before the excitement starts tomorrow! What do you guys see your team doing? Just curious.

We plan on signing free agents like Zack Greinke, Mike Adams, Josh Hamilton, Mark Lowe and Koji Uehara. What are you guys going to do?


Uehara isn't a free agent unless the Rangers released him or non tendered him


Koji Uehara chose to enter free agency rather than complete his contract with the Texas Rangers. A clause in his contract allowed him to test free agency. Although Uehara saw limited playing time with the Rangers, 37 innings in 2012, he had 46 strikeouts. Uehara ended the season with an ERA of 1.75.

Uehara has entered free agency seeking a larger contract. Likely, Uehara can demand more than the Rangers want to pay, and the team will have to let him go.

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jshep
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890069 - in reply to #1890064)
Subject: Re: Winter Meetings


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HaloMagic - 2012-12-02 3:45 PM

Dude von Dudenstein - 2012-12-02 3:15 PM

Trade Bourjos for Stanton
Trade Cron and Lindsey for Price
Sign Brian Wilson


That's best case scenario, though. We'll probably have to throw in Ryan Bolden on the Stanton deal. Maybe Brad Mills, too.


Man, I guess I could live with that.

Deal's off if they push their luck and ask for Matt Scioscia as well, though.
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Vegas Halo Fan
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890092 - in reply to #1890041)
Subject: Re: Winter Meetings



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To answer your question, I don't see us being big players in the free agent market again, after all the money that was spent last year. Zack Greinke is a possibility, but other than that, probably minor free agent signings and perhaps a trade or two. A deal involving big names on our end would be surprising.

The bullpen basically cost us the division a year ago. We led the AL in blown saves for the second consecutive year, and that doesn't even count the leads blown in non-save situations, of which there were many. It is a major area of concern. With Greinke a free agent, Haren non-tendered and Santana traded, the starting rotation needs attention. I hope that the FO has a plan beyond Greinke in case he signs elsewhere. Third base is a hole as well, and if anyone would take Vernon Wells, that would be a bonus. We are probably set at DH, catcher, every infield position except 3B and in the outfield.

I am concerned about replacing Torii Hunter's production and influence in the clubhouse. The former will be easier than the latter.

Edited by Vegas Halo Fan 2012-12-02 6:13 PM
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AZMike
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890197 - in reply to #1890092)
Subject: Re: Winter Meetings



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Vegas Halo Fan - 2012-12-02 5:50 PM

To answer your question, I don't see us being big players in the free agent market again, after all the money that was spent last year. Zack Greinke is a possibility, but other than that, probably minor free agent signings and perhaps a trade or two. A deal involving big names on our end would be surprising.

The bullpen basically cost us the division a year ago. We led the AL in blown saves for the second consecutive year, and that doesn't even count the leads blown in non-save situations, of which there were many. It is a major area of concern. With Greinke a free agent, Haren non-tendered and Santana traded, the starting rotation needs attention. I hope that the FO has a plan beyond Greinke in case he signs elsewhere. Third base is a hole as well, and if anyone would take Vernon Wells, that would be a bonus. We are probably set at DH, catcher, every infield position except 3B and in the outfield.

I am concerned about replacing Torii Hunter's production and influence in the clubhouse. The former will be easier than the latter.


MY guess is we'll get Greinke unless the Dodgers bid the price up into the stratosphere. I don't see the Nationals, the Rangers, or the Angels bidding anywhere close to 7/$160 (ie CC Sabathia territory) as has been speculated by some.



If we don't get Greinke, we'll likely go after a solid second tier starter (eg Anibal Sanches) and a couple guys rebounding from injury (eg McCarthy, Haren). I also expect a few more not-so-spectacular trades (like the recent Walden trade) for some minor league pitching depth.
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Mark68
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890288 - in reply to #1890069)
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jshep - 2012-12-02 5:24 PM

HaloMagic - 2012-12-02 3:45 PM

Dude von Dudenstein - 2012-12-02 3:15 PM

Trade Bourjos for Stanton
Trade Cron and Lindsey for Price
Sign Brian Wilson


That's best case scenario, though. We'll probably have to throw in Ryan Bolden on the Stanton deal. Maybe Brad Mills, too.


Man, I guess I could live with that.

Deal's off if they push their luck and ask for Matt Scioscia as well, though.



What if they threw in Mathis?
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AngelsAndRamsFan
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890263 - in reply to #1890294)
Subject: Winter Meetings Signings/Rumors



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The Rays are close to signing James Loney. I wonder if they'll give him a chance to be their full time 1B.

Rays Close To Signing James Loney
By Zach Links [December 2 at 11:50pm CST]
The Rays appear close to signing free agent first baseman James Loney, according to Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports (via Twitter). It would be a one-year deal for Loney, according to Jim Bowden of ESPN.com (via Twitter).

Loney came to the Red Sox as a part of August's blockbuster trade with the Dodgers. On the year, 28-year-old hit .249/.293/.336 with six homers in 465 plate appearances for the two clubs. Boston was said to be considering a return for Loney but the odds were pegged at 50-50 in late October.


Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#qAe0cjaUHTXSerKh.99
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jshep
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890268 - in reply to #1890263)
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I remember when people thought James Loney might be good.

Good times.
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Agalloch
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890269 - in reply to #1890268)
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jshep - 2012-12-02 10:20 PM

I remember when people thought James Loney might be good.

Good times.


He's signing with the Rays...he still might be.
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AngelsAndRamsFan
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890272 - in reply to #1890263)
Subject: Re: Winter Meetings Signings/Rumors



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James Loney and Rays close to one-year deal....Loney would replace Carlos Pena at 1B...also talking to Nats on starter for Morse & Espinosa.

The Nationals rotation would be incredible if they traded for Hellickson or Shields.
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SigBaby
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890273 - in reply to #1890263)
Subject: Re: Winter Meetings Signings/Rumors



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Over under on Loney having a Kotchmanesque year w/ the Rays:

.306/.378/.422
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AngelsAndRamsFan
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890275 - in reply to #1890263)
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Rays Discussing Espinosa, Morse With Nationals
By Steve Adams [December 3 at 12:44am CST]
The Rays are nearing a one-year deal with James Loney, but the teams are also discussing the possiblity of a trade involving some of Tampa Bay's starting pitching for Danny Espinosa and Michael Morse, according to Jim Bowden of ESPN and MLB Network Radio (Twitter link).

Morse would represent a major offensive upgrade from Carlos Pena at first base, or he could slot into left field with Desmond Jennings taking over B.J. Upton's old position of center field. Espinosa could help the Rays at either middle infield position, where they've had a bit of a carousel in recent years.

Both Jeremy Hellickson and James Shields have been mentioned frequently as potential trade chips for Rays GM Andrew Friedman. It's also been reported that David Price could be had for the right offer, though the asking price (no pun intended) there would undoubtedly be sky-high.

The Nationals have some infield flexibility given the presence of Steve Lombardozzi, and they could handle the loss of Morse's bat if general manager Mike Rizzo is able secure a new contract with Adam LaRoche.


Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#sOOJgyoum43gQzvZ.99
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ochocinco!
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890279 - in reply to #1890263)
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Good God the Nats rotation would be sick! Even their manager couldn't &^@% that rotation up.
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Mark68
Posted 2012-12-03 12:47 AM (#1890283 - in reply to #1890279)
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ochocinco! - 2012-12-02 11:56 PM

Good God the Nats rotation would be sick! Even their manager couldn't &^@% that rotation up.



It wasn't the manager. The Strasburg Directive came down from the GM.
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xboom28x
Posted 2012-12-03 5:51 AM (#1890304 - in reply to #1890294)
Subject: Re: The Official AngelsWin.com Winter Meetings Thread



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Rays officially sign Loney. 1/$2M per Heyman
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Soto Speaks
Posted 2012-12-03 6:34 AM (#1890315 - in reply to #1890294)
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Padres about to sign Jason Marquis.
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Soto Speaks
Posted 2012-12-03 6:35 AM (#1890316 - in reply to #1890294)
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Heyman says three teams are interested in Isringhausen.
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Redondo
Posted 2012-12-03 7:20 AM (#1890329 - in reply to #1890294)
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"There are still attractive pitchers out there, guys who can impact major league seasons, and right now there is heavy competition for a lot of them," Dipoto said.

"I know the guys we're interested in, the guys we've contacted and had rhetoric with. We've done our due diligence. We always have a variety of different game plans in place so should there be a shift, you're able to be flexible with the way player personnel moves."

The Angels had to shift gears over the weekend when Japanese closer Kyuji Fujikawa, a player the Angels pursued aggressively, reportedly agreed to a two-year, $9.5-million deal with the Chicago Cubs.

 http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/angels/la-sp-angels-winter-meetings-20121203,0,4674864.story

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Chuck Richter
Posted 2012-12-03 7:28 AM (#1890335 - in reply to #1890294)
Subject: RE: The Official AngelsWin.com Winter Meetings Thread



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Just a heads up guys. If there are any specific Angels rumors for players traded here or signed to play here, please post a new thread. This thread is just chatter for the winter meetings, rumors and done deals for all 30 teams. Let's make sure all Angels stuff gets a thread of its own (and here too if you'd like).

No Craig Zone!

Thx
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AngelsFaninGA
Posted 2012-12-03 7:31 AM (#1890339 - in reply to #1890316)
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Soto Speaks - 2012-12-03 6:35 AM

Heyman says three teams are interested in Isringhausen.


The Angels, Angels, and Angels
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Jimmag
Posted 2012-12-03 8:29 AM (#1890377 - in reply to #1890294)
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Possible 3 year deal in place with Mike Napoli and the Red Sox - Pete Abraham.
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bloodbrother
Posted 2012-12-03 8:46 AM (#1890396 - in reply to #1890294)
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Ah, love the winter meetings, especially when one minute we have somebody like Heyman reporting one thing, and then the next Ken Rosenthal is reporting something else
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Soto Speaks
Posted 2012-12-03 10:05 AM (#1890481 - in reply to #1890294)
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@JonHeymanCBS: #angels, understanding price will be too rich for greinke, are looking at anibal and lohse.
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Angel Oracle
Posted 2012-12-03 10:21 AM (#1890498 - in reply to #1890481)
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I'd gladly take two from Adams, Sean Burnett, and Uehara.
And then sign Marcum and acquire another solid #3/#4 starter, and call it an off-season.
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Angel Oracle
Posted 2012-12-03 10:22 AM (#1890502 - in reply to #1890316)
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Soto Speaks - 2012-12-03 6:35 AM

Heyman says three teams are interested in Isringhausen.


LOL
Did Dayton Moore and/or Reagins morph?

So Jerry, still think the Greinke trade was good?
Segura will eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kendrick!

Edited by Angel Oracle 2012-12-03 10:24 AM
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jshep
Posted 2012-12-03 11:35 AM (#1890600 - in reply to #1890294)
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Uh oh. Need him to go to not Texas at the very least.

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When it comes to a willingness to spend on Greinke, the Rangers are "right there" with the Dodgers, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link). Sherman also says the Nationals remain in contact with Greinke, though the Angels seem to be falling out of the running.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#eUpbvdFkDe79Ruhl.99


Edited by jshep 2012-12-03 11:36 AM
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Mark68
Posted 2012-12-03 12:34 PM (#1890664 - in reply to #1890600)
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jshep - 2012-12-03 12:35 PM

Uh oh. Need him to go to not Texas at the very least.

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When it comes to a willingness to spend on Greinke, the Rangers are "right there" with the Dodgers, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link). Sherman also says the Nationals remain in contact with Greinke, though the Angels seem to be falling out of the running.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#eUpbvdFkDe79Ruhl.99



Yes. I would prefer, in this order:

1) Angels
2) Not Rangers
666) Rangers
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Soto Speaks
Posted 2012-12-03 12:36 PM (#1890666 - in reply to #1890294)
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Heyman then chimes in with "The Dodgers are the favorite. It going to be difficult to outbid them."

I'm not worried about the Rangers signing Greinke at all.
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jshep
Posted 2012-12-03 1:00 PM (#1890697 - in reply to #1890294)
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Giants close to re-signing Pagan
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jshep
Posted 2012-12-03 1:12 PM (#1890728 - in reply to #1890294)
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Pagan gets 4 years/$40 million from the Giants
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Angel Oracle
Posted 2012-12-03 1:39 PM (#1890762 - in reply to #1890728)
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Either the Apocalypse is here, or we will see at least a couple of teams contracted eventually.

$40 million for Pagan?
Rumored $70 million to get Bourn?

Salaries have become a joke!

Heck, Bourjos' 2011 wasn't any worse than Pagan's or Bourn's 2012.

Edited by Angel Oracle 2012-12-03 1:40 PM
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Sonador
Posted 2012-12-03 1:57 PM (#1890783 - in reply to #1890294)
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In before the avalanche of "Angels 2013 World Series Champions" after signing a middle relief pitcher at the Winter Meetings.
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DucksAngels
Posted 2012-12-03 2:41 PM (#1890834 - in reply to #1890294)
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In b4 Angels re-sign Isringhausen

Edited by DucksAngels 2012-12-03 2:43 PM
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jshep
Posted 2012-12-03 3:51 PM (#1890899 - in reply to #1890294)
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#Angels GM Jerry Dipoto said he's "optimistic" he'll address needs (starter/reliever) in Nashville "but it's not a certainy or requirement."

#Angels GM Jerry Dipoto said it's "doubtful" he'd take on another reliever recovering from TJ surgery, so Brian Wilson is not a good fit.
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Richard
Posted 2012-12-03 3:57 PM (#1890903 - in reply to #1890783)
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Sonador - 2012-12-03 1:57 PM

In before the avalanche of "Angels 2013 World Series Champions" after signing a middle relief pitcher at the Winter Meetings.



Print up the shirts!
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Richard
Posted 2012-12-03 3:58 PM (#1890904 - in reply to #1890294)
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Alden Saying Dipoto looking for 1 more reliever and 1 more starter
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AngelsAndRamsFan
Posted 2012-12-03 4:02 PM (#1890906 - in reply to #1890904)
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Richard - 2012-12-03 3:58 PM

Alden Saying Dipoto looking for 1 more reliever and 1 more starter


Sean Burnett and A. Sanchez would work for me.
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jshep
Posted 2012-12-03 4:04 PM (#1890907 - in reply to #1890906)
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AngelsAndRamsFan - 2012-12-03 4:02 PM

Richard - 2012-12-03 3:58 PM

Alden Saying Dipoto looking for 1 more reliever and 1 more starter


Sean Burnett and A. Sanchez would work for me.


I would also be good with Mike Adams or Uehara or whoever like that in Burnett's place, depending on the cost. Along with Anibal.

Edited by jshep 2012-12-03 10:47 PM
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mrwicked
Posted 2012-12-03 4:58 PM (#1890969 - in reply to #1890294)
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i like the pagan deal, he was great for us and they needed to bring him back.
$10m a year aint cheap but its not terrible, they dont have much in the farm at that spot to go a different route.
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Angel Oracle
Posted 2012-12-03 5:00 PM (#1890973 - in reply to #1890969)
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Oh goody, we get another year of Garret "crappy command" Richards in the rotation.
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