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"No. 3: Arte Moreno
The Angels owner has won a grand total of zero World Series titles and alienated much of his O.C. fan base by changing the name of the team to the Los Angeles Angels. You know you are overrated when many fans name "He lowered the price of beer" as your top accomplishment." |
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Location: AngelsWin.com: Where Angels Fans Are @ | HaloMagic - 2012-11-28 10:57 AM
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Location: AngelsWin.com: Where Angels Fans Are @ | jsnpritchett - 2012-11-28 10:53 AM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-overrated-la-sport...
"No. 3: Arte Moreno
The Angels owner has won a grand total of zero World Series titles and alienated much of his O.C. fan base by changing the name of the team to the Los Angeles Angels. You know you are overrated when many fans name "He lowered the price of beer" as your top accomplishment."
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Location: Southern Cal | They do have a point about Arte to a certain extent. The Dodger Dogs one is so accurate. Their garlic fries are legit though. |
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| 10 years, no championship
a really, really lame name change
and he lowered the price of beer
Diznee did all the heavy lifting:
Remodeled the stadium
designed the (arguably) best uni in baseball
Won world series |
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No. 1: Kobe Bryant
If Kobe Bryant is the legend everyone says, why were Lakers fans so upset the team didn't hire Phil Jackson? Shouldn't the greatest of all time be able to lead the team to a title? He doesn't make his teammates better players, and makes the game look like a joyless exercise. Great player? Sure. Overrated? Absolutely.
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| The honeymoon is definitely over, but it's more a result of the past three seasons than Moreno's ownership from 2003-2008. He's basically the same owner now that he was then; the team isn't winning as much, though. |
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Location: Anaheim, CA | All he can do is open his pocketbook, which he has done to put a good product on the field. |
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| He gets credit for the Vlad signing, it happened under his watch.
He takes blame for Wells trade, it happened under his watch. |
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| No argument, YK. I'm just saying he's still a really good owner and hasn't really done anything differently than what he did when the team was winning. The moves just haven't worked out as well lately. |
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Location: AngelsWin.com: Where Angels Fans Are @ | I wonder if Arte reads this, gets pissed and tells Dipoto to sign Greinke for 160 million. :) |
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| He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins. |
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Location: AngelsWin.com: Where Angels Fans Are @ | mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM
He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins.
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| That said, for all he's done he still hasn't delivered even a World Series appearance, something a dozen or so other owners have done since Moreno bought the team, so he deserves some of the overrated label certainly. |
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| mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM
He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins.
Committing a serious percentage of your payroll to a 30-something like Pujols for 10 years is a serious risk. Its not enough for an owner to give blank checks.
He got credit 10 years ago for the beer thing.
How about be an innovative owner for the fan experience? Create something fun between innings, like the president races? (the rally monkey is played out and wasn't originated on his watch either)
Get the biggest video screen in baseball, and replay the sh*t out of the game.
In 2012, the fan experience at the game is crappy compared to sitting at home. Make it better. If there is a close play, replay it. Different angles. Replay everything. Make sure the wi-fi is up to snuff. Cater to fantasy owners, in game.
Make the fan experience better.
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| Glad to have him and obviously he's been willing to spend but it's kind of a Catch 22 because some of the other moves made (Reagins, Wells) and not winning a WS are ultimately held against him since he's the boss. |
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| What does that have to do with the owner's rating?
Oh, and just who is over rating him? |
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| yk9000 - 2012-11-28 11:32 AM
mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM
He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins.
Committing a serious percentage of your payroll to a 30-something like Pujols for 10 years is a serious risk. Its not enough for an owner to give blank checks.
He got credit 10 years ago for the beer thing.
How about be an innovative owner for the fan experience? Create something fun between innings, like the president races? (the rally monkey is played out and wasn't originated on his watch either )
Get the biggest video screen in baseball, and replay the sh*t out of the game.
In 2012, the fan experience at the game is crappy compared to sitting at home. Make it better. If there is a close play, replay it. Different angles. Replay everything. Make sure the wi-fi is up to snuff. Cater to fantasy owners, in game.
Make the fan experience better.
You bring up some very good points. |
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| yk9000 - 2012-11-28 11:32 AM mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins. Committing a serious percentage of your payroll to a 30-something like Pujols for 10 years is a serious risk. Its not enough for an owner to give blank checks. He got credit 10 years ago for the beer thing. How about be an innovative owner for the fan experience? Create something fun between innings, like the president races? (the rally monkey is played out and wasn't originated on his watch either ) Get the biggest video screen in baseball, and replay the sh*t out of the game. In 2012, the fan experience at the game is crappy compared to sitting at home. Make it better. If there is a close play, replay it. Different angles. Replay everything. Make sure the wi-fi is up to snuff. Cater to fantasy owners, in game. Make the fan experience better. You realize that there are league and local rules against doing things like that because things like fights could break out. |
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| Dinsle - 2012-11-28 11:56 AM
yk9000 - 2012-11-28 11:32 AM mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins. Committing a serious percentage of your payroll to a 30-something like Pujols for 10 years is a serious risk. Its not enough for an owner to give blank checks. He got credit 10 years ago for the beer thing. How about be an innovative owner for the fan experience? Create something fun between innings, like the president races? (the rally monkey is played out and wasn't originated on his watch either ) Get the biggest video screen in baseball, and replay the sh*t out of the game. In 2012, the fan experience at the game is crappy compared to sitting at home. Make it better. If there is a close play, replay it. Different angles. Replay everything. Make sure the wi-fi is up to snuff. Cater to fantasy owners, in game. Make the fan experience better. You realize that there are league and local rules against doing things like that because things like fights could break out.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that absurd rule.
I remember umps complaining to the higher ups about Fenway showing a replay of a close play this past season. |
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| jshep - 2012-11-28 11:57 AM Dinsle - 2012-11-28 11:56 AM yk9000 - 2012-11-28 11:32 AM mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins. Committing a serious percentage of your payroll to a 30-something like Pujols for 10 years is a serious risk. Its not enough for an owner to give blank checks. He got credit 10 years ago for the beer thing. How about be an innovative owner for the fan experience? Create something fun between innings, like the president races? (the rally monkey is played out and wasn't originated on his watch either ) Get the biggest video screen in baseball, and replay the sh*t out of the game. In 2012, the fan experience at the game is crappy compared to sitting at home. Make it better. If there is a close play, replay it. Different angles. Replay everything. Make sure the wi-fi is up to snuff. Cater to fantasy owners, in game. Make the fan experience better. You realize that there are league and local rules against doing things like that because things like fights could break out. Oh yeah, I forgot about that absurd rule. I remember umps complaining to the higher ups about Fenway showing a replay of a close play this past season. With the prevalence of smartphones, I can see this rule becoming moot, or at least relaxed because more and more fans in the stands can just find a clip of it online, or in the At Bat App on their phones. The rules will have to catch up to the technology. |
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| yk9000 - 2012-11-28 11:32 AM
mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM
He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins.
Committing a serious percentage of your payroll to a 30-something like Pujols for 10 years is a serious risk. Its not enough for an owner to give blank checks.
He got credit 10 years ago for the beer thing.
How about be an innovative owner for the fan experience? Create something fun between innings, like the president races? (the rally monkey is played out and wasn't originated on his watch either )
Get the biggest video screen in baseball, and replay the sh*t out of the game.
In 2012, the fan experience at the game is crappy compared to sitting at home. Make it better. If there is a close play, replay it. Different angles. Replay everything. Make sure the wi-fi is up to snuff. Cater to fantasy owners, in game.
Make the fan experience better.
I think you have hit it on the head.
You are the classic socal fan that needs constant stimulation. (That is not meant to be derogatory btw.)
As are most of the population that goes to the games and Arte needs to understand this.
Put a winner on the field and people will show up and support. winning = making the playoffs and at least occasionally have success in them.
Put out a team that comes close even though expectations are higher and the fans will lose interest
I think socal baseball is more of a family event than the fan event it may be in other cities.
Seriously though, I am not in favor of bringing back the dixieland band on top of the dugouts between innings.
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| LightTheHalo - 2012-11-28 11:23 AM
No argument, YK. I'm just saying he's still a really good owner and hasn't really done anything differently than what he did when the team was winning. The moves just haven't worked out as well lately.
The problem rests with the premise "he didn't win a world championship so he is a failure". Only one team a year wins a WS. The success of a owner should not be based on how many world titles they get but how competititive they are year to year. In that case Moreno has done a good job. He has done everything he could do to keep the team competitive.
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| AIR - 2012-11-28 12:11 PM
Here's what makes this a stoopid article. Assume the Angels do what they have been doing and for some reason this year (2013) everything falls into place and the Angels make the WS. Moreno's rating soars, yet what did he do to distinguish the difference? Nothing.
The article was printed to evoke discussion and arguments. 
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| LightTheHalo - 2012-11-28 11:30 AM
That said, for all he's done he still hasn't delivered even a World Series appearance, something a dozen or so other owners have done since Moreno bought the team, so he deserves some of the overrated label certainly.
I hate to argue against you, but a dozen of so owners have not done that since Moreno has bought the team. He bought the team in 2004. He has only been the owner for 9 years, so it is impossible for a dozen or so owners to do the same. Add the fact that the Red Sox, Giants, and Cards all have won two titles during Moreno's tenure and you looking at what? Six owners have won a title since Moreno has taken over? |
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If I was able to use an iPad with my MLB TV subscription at the ballpark I would absolutely even consider buying a season ticket plan.
Install a wifi network for the ballpark. Charge $5 a game for access. Enough where you cut demand by excluding free-loaders, small enough where fans don't think you're ripping them off. Give season ticket holders free access all year, only allow their codes access to 5 devices.
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| stormngt - 2012-11-28 12:24 PM
LightTheHalo - 2012-11-28 11:30 AM
That said, for all he's done he still hasn't delivered even a World Series appearance, something a dozen or so other owners have done since Moreno bought the team, so he deserves some of the overrated label certainly.
I hate to argue against you, but a dozen of so owners have not done that since Moreno has bought the team. He bought the team in 2004. He has only been the owner for 9 years, so it is impossible for a dozen or so owners to do the same. Add the fact that the Red Sox, Giants, and Cards all have won two titles during Moreno's tenure and you looking at what? Six owners have won a title since Moreno has taken over?
He said World Series appearance. And 11 teams have had them since Arte bought the team. 11=a dozen or so.
You're wrong. |
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| the dude abides - 2012-11-28 11:13 AM
I should probably post this in the Lakers forum:
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If Kobe Bryant is the legend everyone says, why were Lakers fans so upset the team didn't hire Phil Jackson? Shouldn't the greatest of all time be able to lead the team to a title? He doesn't make his teammates better players, and makes the game look like a joyless exercise. Great player? Sure. Overrated? Absolutely.
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| angelduck - 2012-11-28 12:37 PM
He's made some poor baseball decisions in his time. I think it'd be best if he left the baseball decisions to Dipoto from here on out.
But yeah, 10 years, no championships, signing an overrated manager for an eternity, a lame name change...Not exactly a great resume
Normally when people say "but yeah" they follow it with a viewpoint that differs from the one they just presented. From a literary and logic progression standpoint what you just did makes no sense. |
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| HaloMagic - 2012-11-28 12:41 PM angelduck - 2012-11-28 12:37 PM
He's made some poor baseball decisions in his time. I think it'd be best if he left the baseball decisions to Dipoto from here on out.
But yeah, 10 years, no championships, signing an overrated manager for an eternity, a lame name change...Not exactly a great resume Normally when people say "but yeah" they follow it with a viewpoint that differs from the one they just presented. From a literary and logic progression standpoint what you just did makes no sense. 
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| Dinsle - 2012-11-28 11:56 AM
yk9000 - 2012-11-28 11:32 AM mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins. Committing a serious percentage of your payroll to a 30-something like Pujols for 10 years is a serious risk. Its not enough for an owner to give blank checks. He got credit 10 years ago for the beer thing. How about be an innovative owner for the fan experience? Create something fun between innings, like the president races? (the rally monkey is played out and wasn't originated on his watch either ) Get the biggest video screen in baseball, and replay the sh*t out of the game. In 2012, the fan experience at the game is crappy compared to sitting at home. Make it better. If there is a close play, replay it. Different angles. Replay everything. Make sure the wi-fi is up to snuff. Cater to fantasy owners, in game. Make the fan experience better. You realize that there are league and local rules against doing things like that because things like fights could break out.
Then change it.
And your "fight breaks out" is a complete bullshit red herring.
The NFL this year is showing every single replay on the big screens this year. Same time the refs are seeing it.
Fights break out in nfl games, but it ain't because of the replays.
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| yk9000 - 2012-11-28 12:43 PM
Dinsle - 2012-11-28 11:56 AM
yk9000 - 2012-11-28 11:32 AM mtangelsfan - 2012-11-28 11:26 AM He also gave the ok to sign both Pujols and Wilson. He's opened his pocket book and done what he's could. Not sure what else he can do as an owner. I think he's only real mistake was hiring Reagins. Committing a serious percentage of your payroll to a 30-something like Pujols for 10 years is a serious risk. Its not enough for an owner to give blank checks. He got credit 10 years ago for the beer thing. How about be an innovative owner for the fan experience? Create something fun between innings, like the president races? (the rally monkey is played out and wasn't originated on his watch either ) Get the biggest video screen in baseball, and replay the sh*t out of the game. In 2012, the fan experience at the game is crappy compared to sitting at home. Make it better. If there is a close play, replay it. Different angles. Replay everything. Make sure the wi-fi is up to snuff. Cater to fantasy owners, in game. Make the fan experience better. You realize that there are league and local rules against doing things like that because things like fights could break out.
Then change it.
And your "fight breaks out" is a complete bullshit red herring.
The NFL this year is showing every single replay on the big screens this year. Same time the refs are seeing it.
Fights break out in nfl games, but it ain't because of the replays.
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| dochalo - 2012-11-28 12:19 PM
I think you have hit it on the head.
You are the classic socal fan that needs constant stimulation. (That is not meant to be derogatory btw.)
As are most of the population that goes to the games and Arte needs to understand this.
Put a winner on the field and people will show up and support. winning = making the playoffs and at least occasionally have success in them.
Put out a team that comes close even though expectations are higher and the fans will lose interest
I think socal baseball is more of a family event than the fan event it may be in other cities.
Seriously though, I am not in favor of bringing back the dixieland band on top of the dugouts between innings.
I may or may not need constant stimulation.
But what I DON'T want is to be stimulated by blaring Chevy Truck commercials between innings.
And its nothing short of asinine to pay $100-several hundred dollars in tickets, and when there is any close play or controversy, the biggest idiots in america are the fools who paid for tickets, because they are the LAST people to know what is going on. And I feel like a fool every time, knowing I am paying good money but have no clue what is happening.
Replay the shit out of everything. And if there is some fakakta agreement with the umps, change it. NFL fans see every single replay the refs are seeing under the hood. Staples center shows every replay. Multiple times. As a ticket paying fan, why in the F*CK do I care about the umps?
Use the PA announcer to give much more details.
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| yk9000 - 2012-11-28 12:51 PM
dochalo - 2012-11-28 12:19 PM
I think you have hit it on the head.
You are the classic socal fan that needs constant stimulation. (That is not meant to be derogatory btw.)
As are most of the population that goes to the games and Arte needs to understand this.
Put a winner on the field and people will show up and support. winning = making the playoffs and at least occasionally have success in them.
Put out a team that comes close even though expectations are higher and the fans will lose interest
I think socal baseball is more of a family event than the fan event it may be in other cities.
Seriously though, I am not in favor of bringing back the dixieland band on top of the dugouts between innings.
I may or may not need constant stimulation.
But what I DON'T want is to be stimulated by blaring Chevy Truck commercials between innings.
And its nothing short of asinine to pay $100-several hundred dollars in tickets, and when there is any close play or controversy, the biggest idiots in america are the fools who paid for tickets, because they are the LAST people to know what is going on. And I feel like a fool every time, knowing I am paying good money but have no clue what is happening.
Replay the shit out of everything. And if there is some fakakta agreement with the umps, change it. NFL fans see every single replay the refs are seeing under the hood. Staples center shows every replay. Multiple times. As a ticket paying fan, why in the F*CK do I care about the umps?
Use the PA announcer to give much more details.
You want to be the fan's owner, Arte? Start acting like one. Get baseball out of 1981.
+1. I find it very annoying when there is a controversial call, and they don't show the replay. It sometimes makes me wish I just stayed at home and watched the game. |
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The Angel experience is like 1981.
The replay thing has irked me for years. I also agree about the wifi.
Commercials and angel spirit squad is lame.
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