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Adam Kennedy (37)
Jeff Keppinger (33)
Jose Lopez (29)
Casey McGehee (30)
Placido Polanco (37)
Scott Rolen (38)
Drew Sutton (30)
Ty Wigginton (35)
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Location: Fullerton,CA | Platoon Morales/Lucho/Callaspo
Lucho to 3B with lefties and Callaspo slides to the DH spot. |
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| haloYON - 2012-11-09 5:14 PM
what about this?
Evan Longoria for PBJ and @
Now begins to chase Evan?
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| Scott34 - 2012-11-09 5:11 PM
Platoon Morales/Lucho/Callaspo
Lucho to 3B with lefties and Callaspo slides to the DH spot.
Can Morales play 3B? He or Pujols there is obviously better than Chavez.
And Callaspo should never, ever, ever be the DH. EVER.
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Location: Fullerton,CA | ucsbhubs - 2012-11-09 5:20 PM
Scott34 - 2012-11-09 5:11 PM
Platoon Morales/Lucho/Callaspo
Lucho to 3B with lefties and Callaspo slides to the DH spot.
Can Morales play 3B? He or Pujols there is obviously better than Chavez.
And Callaspo should never, ever, ever be the DH. EVER.
No Morales can't play 3B.
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| Scott, okay how about this:
Against lefties, use Lucho.
Against righties, use Trumbo. Calhoun in the OF.
Screw defense.
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| ucsbhubs - 2012-11-09 5:22 PM
Scott, okay how about this:
Against lefties, use Lucho.
Against righties, use Trumbo. Calhoun in the OF.
Screw defense.
I'm sure the pitching staff will LOVE that theory.
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Location: Fullerton,CA | ucsbhubs - 2012-11-09 5:22 PM
Scott, okay how about this:
Against lefties, use Lucho.
Against righties, use Trumbo. Calhoun in the OF.
Screw defense.
No. Why the hate on Callaspo? He gets on base.
I don't like him which is why I like Lucho there to kill lefties and provide better D. |
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I'm just not happy with Callaspo (obviously). He's not good as a lefty, not a good power guy, and not a good contact guy. He plays good defense. He's average offensively. Cool. He's also tremendously streaky.
It would be the single greatest concern, had they had a great year from the pen, and a great year from the rotation. I'm not saying it's the Angels first option, but without Izturis…I'm worried.
Last year they had Izturis at around $4M and Callaspo at around $3M.
By going with Jimenez and Romine, they'll save $6 M off last years' numbers. And that's not including saving money against what is sure to be a pay raise for Callaspo.
I'd love to see Trumbo work out at third, but his defense is a concern (I was kidding earlier).
So Jimenez, maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't. But it saves you money they can now use for the rotation and the pen.
Abreu (9), Haren (13), Santana (11), Izturis (4), Hunter (18.5), Hawkins (3), Isringhausen (.65) and Wilson (.5) all likely will not be back. That's close to M off last year's opening day payroll. SUBTRACT the options for Haren and Santana (4.5). That's about $54.5M to play with.
There are 16.4 Million in Raises being given out to Contracted players. Down to 38.
If they bring back Williams that's another Million. Kendrys could be 2-3 M. Jepsen is another 500k. Ok so say 4 M total there.
That's 34 million to bring back Greinke, Sign a Fourth Starter, Sign a Closer or another dependable veteran arm for the pen.
If you figure Greinke is going to get 21-25M, that's not an easy task. Every dollar counts, so if you can save money, and get equal performance you should do it.
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| WAR coming into picture here: Callaspo is just not good value.
Assuming the Angels need 95 wins to make the playoffs, they need to get 43 WAR for a $150 M payroll. Trout may not have as good of a season as he did last year, but obviously 40k for a win is freaking excellent. Balanced out though by Pujols $4M per win, Kendrick's 3M per and Aybar is costing you 2+M per win. Callaspo is not under contract, so they can cut him and save the money. I truly think they'll get 1.0 WAR from Jimenez at least. And of course there is 21 M they spend for 0.5 WAR from Wells.
They got 37 WAR last year, and finished slightly ahead of that at 89 wins versus 88. Add in the pitching 2.6 WAR and they actually finished one or two games behind where they should have.
I hope Pujols and Kendrick can have better seasons. I hope they can get two starters in their rotation and a legit closer who all provide positive WAR. Frieri was worth about 1.3 WAR. Grienke was worth 1.3 in the time we had him. Weaver was 3.7.
Many of our pitchers were actually negative WAR. That's obviously the first area of concern right now.
If non-tendering Callaspo means they have more money for pitching, that means a lot. If it's the difference between a legit closer and a average veteran BP arm? Or adding a veteran starter in the fourth spot to go along with Richards or going with Williams and Richards in the fourth and fifth spots?
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Brandon Inge (36) - Had a decent year with OAKLAND HR every 7 games. Just the age and the nose dive in AVG and OBP% scares me to death. Has dropped in all since 2004.
Jeff Keppinger (33) - Valuable Utility guy has played 3B, SS, 2B, 1B, Corner OF ** I LIKE THIS ONE THE BEST**
Scott Rolen (38) - If this was two years ago. The Bat speed is almost gone. And the body is breaking down.
Ty Wigginton (35) - Another Utility Corner guy who could play 2B in an emergency situation.
Kevin Youkilis (34) - Unless you want to hand him the job instead. And give Cowart 3-4 years to develop.
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| tdawg87 - 2012-11-09 10:29 PM
I'd love to have Youkilis on a 1+1 deal, but it's doubtful he would take that.
Youk is by far the best option out there. Cowart isn't ready, and they don't want to rush him. Youk would bring this team some TUDE at the hot corner and I think with the "good guys" already on the roster he'd mix in well even if he is a short term option. If the Angels pursue him for a short term contract, say 2 to 3 years tops with the money front loaded, it might work out very well. |
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Location: Henderson, Nevada | I would have preferred Izturis be re-signed, but Callaspo is a good option for this year as a utility player if Jimenez or Coward win the 3rd base job. I'm just afraid if we jettison Callaspo, we'll end up with a .157 hitting 3rd baseman the rest of he year.
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| ucsbhubs - 2012-11-09 5:51 PM
WAR coming into picture here: Callaspo is just not good value.
Assuming the Angels need 95 wins to make the playoffs, they need to get 43 WAR for a $150 M payroll. Trout may not have as good of a season as he did last year, but obviously 40k for a win is freaking excellent. Balanced out though by Pujols $4M per win, Kendrick's 3M per and Aybar is costing you 2+M per win. Callaspo is not under contract, so they can cut him and save the money. I truly think they'll get 1.0 WAR from Jimenez at least. And of course there is 21 M they spend for 0.5 WAR from Wells.
They got 37 WAR last year, and finished slightly ahead of that at 89 wins versus 88. Add in the pitching 2.6 WAR and they actually finished one or two games behind where they should have.
I hope Pujols and Kendrick can have better seasons. I hope they can get two starters in their rotation and a legit closer who all provide positive WAR. Frieri was worth about 1.3 WAR. Grienke was worth 1.3 in the time we had him. Weaver was 3.7.
Many of our pitchers were actually negative WAR. That's obviously the first area of concern right now.
If non-tendering Callaspo means they have more money for pitching, that means a lot. If it's the difference between a legit closer and a average veteran BP arm? Or adding a veteran starter in the fourth spot to go along with Richards or going with Williams and Richards in the fourth and fifth spots?
2 things.
1) Calaspo's value (WAR/$) is not that bad, particularly compared to free agents. We can arguably gain more wins through free agency or trade, but that will come at a much higher efficiency cost (WAR/$). In other words the change in cost will be increasing at a far faster rate than our gain in wins.
2) The goal of the game is not to be the best in terms of Wins / $ (or WAR/$) - the only thing that matters in WINS. Sometimes its ok to kill your efficiency and buy a ton of wins at a high price (see: Pujols, Albert). Oakland may do an amazing job in terms of WAR/$ but in the long run that team wins nothing. Teams need to forget about efficiency at som point if they want to win championships.
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Location: Fullerton,CA | nato2k - 2012-11-10 6:56 PM
I think if people on this forum were GM we would have shit for a pitching rotation but god dammit we would have a slugging 3b...
I really don't care what happens with 3b, I wold prefer we fix the rotation and bullpen. Then we can talk about 3b.
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Location: California | I think you Scott have stated more than once that a platoon between Callaspo and Lucho could workout given their splits. Jimenez is also a pretty solid defender at the hot corner. The way I see it, the Angels are only going to get better at 3B in 2013, and do not need to spend any money to do so. Callaspo may hit .300 next season if he's only facing RHP. Lucho will probably hit well enough and provide a little more pop if he only has to face LHP. |
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| ucsbhubs - 2012-11-09 5:51 PM WAR coming into picture here: Callaspo is just not good value. Assuming the Angels need 95 wins to make the playoffs, they need to get 43 WAR for a $150 M payroll. Trout may not have as good of a season as he did last year, but obviously 40k for a win is freaking excellent. Balanced out though by Pujols $4M per win, Kendrick's 3M per and Aybar is costing you 2+M per win. Callaspo is not under contract, so they can cut him and save the money. I truly think they'll get 1.0 WAR from Jimenez at least. And of course there is 21 M they spend for 0.5 WAR from Wells. They got 37 WAR last year, and finished slightly ahead of that at 89 wins versus 88. Add in the pitching 2.6 WAR and they actually finished one or two games behind where they should have. I hope Pujols and Kendrick can have better seasons. I hope they can get two starters in their rotation and a legit closer who all provide positive WAR. Frieri was worth about 1.3 WAR. Grienke was worth 1.3 in the time we had him. Weaver was 3.7. Many of our pitchers were actually negative WAR. That's obviously the first area of concern right now. If non-tendering Callaspo means they have more money for pitching, that means a lot. If it's the difference between a legit closer and a average veteran BP arm? Or adding a veteran starter in the fourth spot to go along with Richards or going with Williams and Richards in the fourth and fifth spots? We just had the highest offensive WAR of any team since the Mariners back in 2001. That just shows you how bad the pitching was last year. |
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| Cespedes - 2012-11-10 9:19 PM
A-Rod. I want A-Rod on the Angels. This. I like the way you think. |
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Location: Anaheim, CA | HaloFan85 - 2012-11-10 11:33 PM
ucsbhubs - 2012-11-09 5:51 PM WAR coming into picture here: Callaspo is just not good value. Assuming the Angels need 95 wins to make the playoffs, they need to get 43 WAR for a $150 M payroll. Trout may not have as good of a season as he did last year, but obviously 40k for a win is freaking excellent. Balanced out though by Pujols $4M per win, Kendrick's 3M per and Aybar is costing you 2+M per win. Callaspo is not under contract, so they can cut him and save the money. I truly think they'll get 1.0 WAR from Jimenez at least. And of course there is 21 M they spend for 0.5 WAR from Wells. They got 37 WAR last year, and finished slightly ahead of that at 89 wins versus 88. Add in the pitching 2.6 WAR and they actually finished one or two games behind where they should have. I hope Pujols and Kendrick can have better seasons. I hope they can get two starters in their rotation and a legit closer who all provide positive WAR. Frieri was worth about 1.3 WAR. Grienke was worth 1.3 in the time we had him. Weaver was 3.7. Many of our pitchers were actually negative WAR. That's obviously the first area of concern right now. If non-tendering Callaspo means they have more money for pitching, that means a lot. If it's the difference between a legit closer and a average veteran BP arm? Or adding a veteran starter in the fourth spot to go along with Richards or going with Williams and Richards in the fourth and fifth spots? We just had the highest offensive WAR of any team since the Mariners back in 2001. That just shows you how bad the pitching was last year.
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| I choose the 'write-in" option of trading for Chase Headley and make Callaspo the utility infielder. Saw a write-up on Mlbtraderumors that suggested San Diego would need to pay $36-$40 million over 4 years to extend him. That is very reasonable cost for his production, even if you increase it to $44 million over 4. What would it cost though? Richards, Lucho Jimenez and Mark Trumbo or Peter Bourjos? |
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| HaloU2 - 2012-11-11 3:16 PM
I choose the 'write-in" option of trading for Chase Headley and make Callaspo the utility infielder. Saw a write-up on Mlbtraderumors that suggested San Diego would need to pay $36-$40 million over 4 years to extend him. That is very reasonable cost for his production, even if you increase it to $44 million over 4. What would it cost though? Richards, Lucho Jimenez and Mark Trumbo or Peter Bourjos?
I would love to have Headley if the Padres were willing to trade him(which is looking less likely in recent weeks), but if they do make him available, there are teams with much better farm systems than the Angels interested in acquiring him.
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Location: Tuscon | HaloU2 - 2012-11-11 3:16 PM
I choose the 'write-in" option of trading for Chase Headley and make Callaspo the utility infielder. Saw a write-up on Mlbtraderumors that suggested San Diego would need to pay $36-$40 million over 4 years to extend him. That is very reasonable cost for his production, even if you increase it to $44 million over 4. What would it cost though? Richards, Lucho Jimenez and Mark Trumbo or Peter Bourjos?
Awesome, upgrading 3rd base according to your plan makes our starting rotation:
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Luckily DiPoto would still have 3 months to drum up a few extra starters.
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HaloU2 - 2012-11-11 3:16 PM
I choose the 'write-in" option of trading for Chase Headley and make Callaspo the utility infielder. Saw a write-up on Mlbtraderumors that suggested San Diego would need to pay $36-$40 million over 4 years to extend him. That is very reasonable cost for his production, even if you increase it to $44 million over 4. What would it cost though? Richards, Lucho Jimenez and Mark Trumbo or Peter Bourjos?
Awesome, upgrading 3rd base according to your plan makes our starting rotation:
Weaver, Wilson, Williams, Maronde, Mills
Weaver and Wilson and....and....something that rhymes with Wilson that accurately describes how bad that back 3 sounds. |
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| AZMike - 2012-11-11 3:45 PM
HaloU2 - 2012-11-11 3:16 PM
I choose the 'write-in" option of trading for Chase Headley and make Callaspo the utility infielder. Saw a write-up on Mlbtraderumors that suggested San Diego would need to pay $36-$40 million over 4 years to extend him. That is very reasonable cost for his production, even if you increase it to $44 million over 4. What would it cost though? Richards, Lucho Jimenez and Mark Trumbo or Peter Bourjos?
Awesome, upgrading 3rd base according to your plan makes our starting rotation:
Weaver, Wilson, Williams, Maronde, Mills
Yeah. All this speculation is fine and all, but the team didn't miss the playoffs because of who was playing 3rd. |
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1. Trade for Headley. Make Callaspo the utility man.
2. Sign Oriental reliever.
3. Sign 3 second-tier starters, preferably Baker, Marcum, McCarthy, Braden or Saunders OR sign 2 from that group figuring Williams will compete for #5.
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