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JayEss
Posted 2012-09-06 3:03 PM (#1812589)
Subject: Cowart leads Halos' new MLB.com Top 20 list



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MLB.com has re-ranked its Top 20 Prospects.

1 Kaleb Cowart
2 C.J. Cron
3 Taylor Lindsey
4 Nick Maronde
5 Kole Calhoun
6 Cam Bedrosian
7 Travis Witherspoon
8 Andrew Romine
9 Luis Jiminez
10 Nick Mutz
11 Daniel Tillman
12 Randal Grichuk
13 Chevez Clarke
14 AJ Schugel
15 Mike Clevinger
16 R.J. Alvarez
17 Eric Stamets
18 Alex Yarbrough
19 Carlos Ramirez
20 Austin Wood

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120905&content_id=3796363...
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2012-09-06 3:16 PM (#1812596 - in reply to #1812589)
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Not gonna lie, that ranking right there is terrible. Nick Mutz is a Top 10 prospect apparently. The guy might be Top 10 as far as RP go (Scoggins, Adams, Alvarez, Geltz, Taylor, Chaffee and Tillman are all better), but all players? Not a chance. Yarbrough is down at 18. Did they even watch him play this season? Cam Bedrosian at #6? Really?
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m0nkey
Posted 2012-09-06 3:32 PM (#1812600 - in reply to #1812596)
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You know things are bad when Chevy Clarke is at #13. He struggled down the stretch in Orem in his third year in pro ball.
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HaloMagic
Posted 2012-09-06 3:54 PM (#1812614 - in reply to #1812589)
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Yeah. You could make an argument for the top 5 (not sure about that order, though) but after that the list is a mess. Not sure how Grichuk and Alvarez are so low.
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Angel Oracle
Posted 2012-09-06 4:02 PM (#1812621 - in reply to #1812614)
Subject: Re: Cowart leads Halos' new Top 20 list



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Bedrosian at #6 and Clarke at #13 is a TOTAL joke!

Did Eddie Bane pay off MLB.com?
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RunPettisRun
Posted 2012-09-06 4:03 PM (#1812625 - in reply to #1812589)
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Prospect lists suck but people tend to love them and live by them as if they are gospel. The only thing valuable is the reports attached to each player.
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Scott34
Posted 2012-09-06 4:21 PM (#1812650 - in reply to #1812589)
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That might be the worst prospect list i've ever seen.
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dochalo
Posted 2012-09-06 10:52 PM (#1812955 - in reply to #1812589)
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It like they got the top five and then picked fifteen random players from the org in no particular order to finish the list.
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Chuck Richter
Posted 2012-09-06 11:15 PM (#1812961 - in reply to #1812589)
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Terrible rankings. Someone didn't do their homework.
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AngelStew43
Posted 2012-09-07 8:30 AM (#1813025 - in reply to #1812589)
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Bedrosian and Romine, a lot lower. Grichuk a lot higher. Clarke should not even be listed at this point.
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AngelsFaninGA
Posted 2012-09-07 9:49 AM (#1813069 - in reply to #1812589)
Subject: Re: Cowart leads Halos' new Top 20 list



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Bolden should be #1
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Dave Saltzer
Posted 2012-09-08 4:00 PM (#1815021 - in reply to #1812589)
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Should be more accurate with that title. That is NOT the AngelsWin.com ranking for the prospects, which would be a more accurate list IMHO.
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Morales4MVP
Posted 2012-09-09 2:19 AM (#1815632 - in reply to #1812589)
Subject: Re: Cowart leads Halos' new MLB.com Top 20 list



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Cron might not even make it past AAA. Thats the #2 prospect. Scary.
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2012-09-09 11:48 AM (#1815748 - in reply to #1815632)
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Cron has as good of a chance as any hitting prospect in baseball at making it past AAA. He's a very good #2 prospect. In fact, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any system where he's not a Top 5 prospect.
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Scott34
Posted 2012-09-09 11:59 AM (#1815755 - in reply to #1815748)
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For my personal list that I make every year, Cron is not 2. Or 3.

Which is fine, because I'll probably be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Morales4MVP
Posted 2012-09-09 10:28 PM (#1816391 - in reply to #1815748)
Subject: Re: Cowart leads Halos' new MLB.com Top 20 list



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ScottyAllenLAAI - 2012-09-09 11:48 AM

Cron has as good of a chance as any hitting prospect in baseball at making it past AAA. He's a very good #2 prospect. In fact, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any system where he's not a Top 5 prospect.


With his injury/surgery + his walk rate of 3.1% his chances dont look good.

Cron doesnt even have a Mark Trumbo minor league walk rate, its even worse than Brandon Wood.
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2012-09-09 11:20 PM (#1816397 - in reply to #1816391)
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The difference is, Cron has a considerably better contact ability than both and is hitting for a higher average without ever experiencing the minor league learning curve. Undoubtedly, Cron has an extremely good chance of reaching a plateau in which he turns into a .290 25+ HR type of hitter in the major leagues.

Trumbo, has exceeded expectations in the majors and appears to be a strong case for an annual .270 30 HR type of hitter. Wood could have ended up anywhere between AAA flame out and .270 and 30 HR.

Based on tools and my own personal scouting, I'm confident that C.J. Cron will end up being as valuable if not more so than Mark Trumbo at the major league level. And I think he'll do so by the end of 2014. Only 2 years away. That's a good middle of the order bat.
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jsnpritchett
Posted 2012-09-11 6:21 AM (#1817942 - in reply to #1816397)
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That list makes me want to cry. Not only because it seems randomly ordered, but also because the players on it (regardless of order) aren't exactly awe-inspiring.

Why in god's name is soon-to-be-27-year-old Andrew Romine on ANYONE'S "top prospect" list?

Why is Carlos Ramirez, who will be 25 when next season starts, still on anyone's list? The dude is inconsistent, gets injured all the time, and hit .204 in AA this year. Wheeee...

Only 4 starting pitchers out of the top 20? Not exactly great, since we've seen this year that not having starting pitching depth in the system can hurt.

I'm sure Scotty will now come back and say how great and deep the system is, but it's looking pretty barren right now. Yes, I understand that's in large part due to people graduating to the majors or being used as trade chips, but it still doesn't make the picture any nicer.

(I will also freely admit that I had never even heard of Eric Stamets until I saw this list...)
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jsnpritchett
Posted 2012-09-11 6:32 AM (#1817948 - in reply to #1813069)
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AngelsFaninGA - 2012-09-07 9:49 AM

Bolden should be #1


Totally agree. His BB rate this season improved tremendously. I see a Trout-like future for this kid. One more year in rookie ball should seal the deal for him, and then onward and upward!
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stormngt
Posted 2012-09-11 7:34 AM (#1817963 - in reply to #1812589)
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JayEss - 2012-09-06 3:03 PM

MLB.com has re-ranked its Top 20 Prospects.

1 Kaleb Cowart
2 C.J. Cron
3 Taylor Lindsey
4 Nick Maronde
5 Kole Calhoun
6 Cam Bedrosian
7 Travis Witherspoon
8 Andrew Romine
9 Luis Jiminez
10 Nick Mutz
11 Daniel Tillman
12 Randal Grichuk
13 Chevez Clarke
14 AJ Schugel
15 Mike Clevinger
16 R.J. Alvarez
17 Eric Stamets
18 Alex Yarbrough
19 Carlos Ramirez
20 Austin Wood

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120905&content_id=3796363...

I find it interesting that Calhoun is 5th behind two other position players. Isn't he the guy that so many want to start next year?
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jsnpritchett
Posted 2012-09-11 8:23 AM (#1817984 - in reply to #1817963)
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He's actually behind 3 other position players (Cowart, Cron, Lindsey).
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2012-09-11 8:30 AM (#1817994 - in reply to #1817984)
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I'm not going to try and sell you on how great the Angels system is right now. It's bottom of the barrel. Even if you think I have rose covered glasses, you have to realize first and foremost that I know what I'm doing lol. All I can really say right now is that the Angels have depth where they need it.

As far as Stamets goes, he's good. He won't be a superstar but he's got 70 speed (probably about as fast as Bourjos going home to first, which isn't as fast as Trout, but still really fast), and should challenge for a gold glove someday if he's an everyday player. He reminds me of a faster, better defensive Reggie Willits (at SS of course). For those of you that may remember correctly, Willits was a decent 4th OF, but if you could've taken his offensive skill set and put it at SS with gold glove defense, I'd say there's at least 5-10 teams in professional baseball willing to play him on an everyday basis. His glove alone will make him a major leaguer.

Definitely worthy of being a Top 20 prospect in any system.
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HaloMagic
Posted 2012-09-11 5:12 PM (#1818533 - in reply to #1817994)
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ScottyAllenLAAI - 2012-09-11 8:30 AM

I'm not going to try and sell you on how great the Angels system is right now. It's bottom of the barrel. Even if you think I have rose covered glasses, you have to realize first and foremost that I know what I'm doing lol. All I can really say right now is that the Angels have depth where they need it.


Starting pitching. We need that next year. Shit, we needed that this year. So that's one spot we don't have it where we need it. I'll agree that some other spots of need are covered (3rd, OF).
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2012-09-11 10:47 PM (#1819808 - in reply to #1818533)
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We have Weaver, Greinke, Haren, Wilson and Santana. That's as solid a starting 5 as you can really ask for without feeling greedy. Factor in the fact that now the Angels have Garrett Richards, Nick Maronde and A.J. Schugel all knocking on the rotation's door and it's easy to see. This team has a TON of SP depth. The furhter you go down, the more prospects there are. Eswarlin Jimenez, Austin Wood, Michael Clevinger, Arjenis Fernandez, Mark Sappington, Yancarlos Santiago, Gabriel Perez and more.

I'm not saying all of them will become major leaguers but all have a legitimate shot. And to head off any other direction you might go with this, Cron cover 1B, Lindsey and Yarbrough cover 2B, Stamets, Rondon and Romine cover SS, Jimenez and Cowart cover 3B, the OF has Witherspoon, Moore, Calhoun and Grichuk and in RP they have Carp, Geltz, Taylor, Chaffee, Tillman, Alvarez, Scoggins, Adams, Mutz and Morin.

As I said, not a top system by any means, but in terms of usable depth, this system has it everywhere it needs it right now.
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HaloMagic
Posted 2012-09-12 12:20 PM (#1820404 - in reply to #1819808)
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We may lose Greinke and if it weren't for a lack of depth we would probably not pick up the options on Santana and Haren. I don't think, as we look to next year, the staff is as strong as you allude to. The loss of any one of those guys means inserting Richards. Not a bad move but what happens if, or rather when, one of the SPs gets hurt? You're gonna insert Maronde into the rotation? I can't imagine that.

If we don't keep at least two of those 3 SPs this off season then we are disastrously thin at that spot. Even if we keep all three it's not looking great. Hopefully they can all stay healthy and give us another year of development from the farm players.
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sangar
Posted 2012-09-30 9:39 PM (#1845341 - in reply to #1812589)
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Getting Greinke back is the key. Greinke is an ace. There are plenty of the Guthrie/Kuroda/Sanchez types that can replace Haren and Santana's production.
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Angel Oracle
Posted 2012-10-02 4:56 PM (#1848001 - in reply to #1845341)
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I'm souring on Richards.
He was inconsistent at best in 2012, and still has significant work to do for 2013.
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slegnaog
Posted 2012-11-01 8:36 AM (#1869814 - in reply to #1848001)
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Angel Oracle - 2012-10-02 4:56 PM

I'm souring on Richards.
He was inconsistent at best in 2012, and still has significant work to do for 2013.


It's too early to give up on Richards, the Angels rushed him a bit and that's what they got... a guy who still needs to make adjustments and find consistency at this level.

As to the Angels' organizational depth, the player I'm excited about is Cowart. The rest are either far enough away to where I am not going to expect to see them for a while, or they are pedestrian talents i.e. just another guy. Cowart is a key piece in the short term Angels' future, and I hope for our sakes he has a great ST and upcoming season so we can see him end of this next season's call-ups.
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ScottyAllenLAAI
Posted 2012-11-01 9:12 AM (#1869846 - in reply to #1812589)
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Extremely short-sighted t sour on Richards. This kid is gonna be very good someday. He may only be passable this year, but right around age 27 or 28 (2-3 years) he's going to be a very solid #2 or #3 starter.
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angelduck
Posted 2012-11-01 12:44 PM (#1870042 - in reply to #1869846)
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ScottyAllenLAAI - 2012-11-01 9:12 AM

Extremely short-sighted t sour on Richards. This kid is gonna be very good someday. He may only be passable this year, but right around age 27 or 28 (2-3 years) he's going to be a very solid #2 or #3 starter.


He'll be an ace for the Rays. With Mike Butcher coaching him he will be a 5 if he's lucky.
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angelfan79
Posted 2012-12-05 1:23 AM (#1892296 - in reply to #1812589)
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So who should be #1?
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GlenM
Posted 2012-12-05 8:24 AM (#1892371 - in reply to #1812596)
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ScottyAllenLAAI - 2012-09-06 3:16 PM

Not gonna lie, that ranking right there is terrible. Nick Mutz is a Top 10 prospect apparently. The guy might be Top 10 as far as RP go (Scoggins, Adams, Alvarez, Geltz, Taylor, Chaffee and Tillman are all better), but all players? Not a chance. Yarbrough is down at 18. Did they even watch him play this season? Cam Bedrosian at #6? Really?




Nick Mutz is in my top 10 for prospect names. Hell, he might even crack the top five, but I have an affinity for people who go by double-initials (CJ Cron, AJ Schugel, RJ Alvarez: looking at you) so it's close.
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Chuck Richter
Posted 2012-12-05 9:22 AM (#1892436 - in reply to #1892296)
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angelfan79 - 2012-12-05 1:23 AM

So who should be #1?

 

Cowart, of course! 

http://angelswinblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/los-angeles-angels-2013-top-50.html

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