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Lifetime
Posted 2009-12-18 2:46 PM (#732009 - in reply to #731954)
Subject: Re: Angels interested in Javier Vazquez



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jsnpritchett - 12/18/2009 2:08 PM

Lifetime - 12/18/2009 2:03 PM

And his last couple of years?


Are you just trying to be obtuse or something? Look it up--it's pretty easy. 2008, his OBP was .319--18 points below league average. Last year? .364, 26 points above average.


No, are you just trying to be a jerk?

I'm fully aware of where and how to look up the stats. I was responding via my phone which makes that task a little tougher. I figured, being that it's so easy and all to get the numbers, that it wasn't too big of an imposition to ask.

The last couple or three years (due to 2008 being an injury year) or more relevant to what should be expected from him, and therefore more relevant to the discussion than his overall career numbers.

The underlying point is, crawford is not a low OBP guy as was stated.
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Reilec14
Posted 2009-12-18 3:00 PM (#732026 - in reply to #731957)
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Angels25 - 12/18/2009 2:12 PM

Not saying I dont want Crawford.

Im saying id rather have Vazquez.


Id say always go for the BPA (best player available).

Edited by Reilec14 2009-12-18 3:01 PM
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HaloThunder
Posted 2009-12-18 3:12 PM (#732050 - in reply to #731674)
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Napoli4MVP - 12/18/2009 11:26 AM
Braves fans I've spoke to say they want Morales for Vazquez or no deal.
They Probally still pissed about how they could have gotten Morales instead of Kotchman.


I've been leaning on that it's probably wishful thinking to believe they would take Rivera for Vasquez or that they'd expect more than Rivera for him. I'd take Kawakami for Rivera that we might get a prospect(s) added, too. Kawakami has two more years remaining, the Angels inquired on him last year, he performed with promise and reliability his first year with the Braves, he adds depth to both the Angels starting rotation and bullpen, and it's valued time for the future hopeful SP's to emerge.

This is the direction the Angels should take, IMO.

Edited by HaloThunder 2009-12-18 3:13 PM
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HaloThunder
Posted 2009-12-18 3:19 PM (#732060 - in reply to #731713)
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beatlesrule - 12/18/2009 11:52 AM
Lol Morales for a 34 year old pitcher straight up? If the Braves are asking any teams for players like that, they aren't serious about trading him. I agree with Mitch Wild Thing Williams on the subject of Vazquez. He thinks the Braves will just keep all 6 SP and have that depth all season long in case of any injuries.


I'm thinking the same as Mitch. That rotation is probably the NL best with Hudson healthy. Hudson's health could still be uncertain though, therefore Kawakami slides to the bullpen who also replaces the traded off Soriano. If the Braves however are shopping for a bargain OF to fill one hole, they should be calling the Angels about JR. Otherwise, they'll need to open up their wallet a little bit for 2 OF, a 1B, or 3B (moving Jones back out to LF).
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HaloThunder
Posted 2009-12-18 3:30 PM (#732070 - in reply to #731871)
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Scott34 - 12/18/2009 1:26 PM
Morales for Lincy? Yes. Morales for Vazquez? No


I wouldn't Morales for Lincy, even, at this stage. Who plays 1B then?
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Posted 2009-12-18 3:31 PM (#732073 - in reply to #732070)
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HaloThunder - 12/18/2009 3:30 PM

Scott34 - 12/18/2009 1:26 PM
Morales for Lincy? Yes. Morales for Vazquez? No


I wouldn't Morales for Lincy, even, at this stage. Who plays 1B then?


Branyan,Laroche,Blalock...
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nato2k
Posted 2009-12-18 3:37 PM (#732077 - in reply to #732073)
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Scott34 - 12/18/2009 3:31 PM

HaloThunder - 12/18/2009 3:30 PM

Scott34 - 12/18/2009 1:26 PM
Morales for Lincy? Yes. Morales for Vazquez? No


I wouldn't Morales for Lincy, even, at this stage. Who plays 1B then?


Branyan,Laroche,Blalock...


Funny to even talk about this but i think to trade a pitcher whos won two cy youngs before becomming arbitration eligible you would have to trade your entire minor league system with morales lol.

edit: Lincecum has to set the record for arbitration right?

Edited by nato2k 2009-12-18 3:40 PM
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Lifetime
Posted 2009-12-18 3:42 PM (#732093 - in reply to #729652)
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he's arbitration eligible this year
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HaloThunder
Posted 2009-12-18 3:48 PM (#732103 - in reply to #731918)
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HBMIKE - 12/18/2009 1:49 PM

Scott34 - 12/18/2009 1:34 PM
HBMIKE - 12/18/2009 1:30 PM I would be going after Josh Johnson.
Not available.


How do you know?

ESPN's Jerry Crasnick, Josh Johnson's agent Matt Sosnick ruled out the chance of the Marlins signing his client long-term this winter:

"Based on our conversations, there's no chance of doing a long-term deal with the Marlins. We made it clear that it was going to be this year or it wasn't going to happen. It was now or never. And the Marlins agreed."



That Matt Sosnick is an idiot there, too. Here's a classic example where the agent shows taking it too far for the big money into a large market from a small market. Aside from that it reveals the current ugly system, the Marlins are a promising team with a new ballpark on the way while Miami is a fairly large market to begin with. Plus, Josh Johnson had TJS and he's advising him to risk the next 2 years without the long-term protection??!! What a dope!!!
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bloodbrother
Posted 2009-12-18 3:50 PM (#732109 - in reply to #732070)
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HaloThunder - 12/18/2009 3:30 PM
Scott34 - 12/18/2009 1:26 PM Morales for Lincy? Yes. Morales for Vazquez? No
I wouldn't Morales for Lincy, even, at this stage. Who plays 1B then?

 

Not like the Giants would do it, and K-mo is great, but I'd trade him for Lincey in a millisecond. Power hitting 1B are everywhere...a top of th eline pitcher like LIncey aren't as common

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calscuf
Posted 2009-12-18 3:56 PM (#732119 - in reply to #729652)
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OK, show of hands, who watched Shawshank Redemption last night?

C'mon.....
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HaloThunder
Posted 2009-12-18 4:30 PM (#732156 - in reply to #732073)
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Scott34 - 12/18/2009 3:31 PM

HaloThunder - 12/18/2009 3:30 PM

Scott34 - 12/18/2009 1:26 PM
Morales for Lincy? Yes. Morales for Vazquez? No


I wouldn't Morales for Lincy, even, at this stage. Who plays 1B then?


Branyan,Laroche,Blalock...


Well, you absorb more arb for less with Lincy than Morales and you'd gamble between those 3 to replace Morales offensively. Don't you think Lincy's a little overkill compared to what they have in place now? He's not hurting anything staying in SF. Besides, if the Giants wanted too, I'd think they know they have far greater leverage with Lincy toward an even bigger 1B bat than Morales, namely M-Cab or Adrian.



Edited by HaloThunder 2009-12-18 4:32 PM
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mrwicked
Posted 2009-12-18 4:39 PM (#732162 - in reply to #729652)
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giants arent trading lincecum.
move on.
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Bruce Nye
Posted 2009-12-18 4:42 PM (#732164 - in reply to #732162)
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mrwicked - 12/18/2009 4:39 PM

giants arent trading lincecum.
move on.



Even if we throw in GMJ?
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Troll Daddy
Posted 2009-12-18 7:06 PM (#732263 - in reply to #732164)
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Looks like Vasquez is not interested in coming to the Angels
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Posted 2009-12-18 7:09 PM (#732265 - in reply to #732263)
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pimpmyteam - 12/18/2009 7:06 PM

Looks like Vasquez is not interested in coming to the Angels


"Tee hee"
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tdawg87
Posted 2009-12-19 9:40 AM (#732499 - in reply to #729652)
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Why does it seem like no one wants to play out west? The east coast sucks.
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RunPettisRun
Posted 2009-12-19 9:58 AM (#732506 - in reply to #731669)
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Chuck - 12/18/2009 11:23 AM

It was always highly unlikely since Vazquez has a no trade clause to any west coast team. But, as I mentioned in the Blog, an extension could entice Vazquez and the fact that he'd be playing for a team that makes the playoffs every year. California weather is also much better than Hotlanta (yuck).

At any rate, I reported the Angels interest that's it. Not that a deal would go down. If this deal never goes down it's because of two things. 1.) The no-trade clause to the west or 2.) players could not be agreed upon in a potential trade swap.


Hes from Puerto Rico. The ATL weather feels much similar to PR than Socal does. Also, making the playoffs in the NL is much easier than the AL. I dont see this deal going down at all. In all honesty the dude seems like a head case to a point and not sure if we want that. if he pitches in the AL like his past history indicates than we really wouldnt come out ahead with losing Rivera. Unless Rivera is replaced by Bay. For this deal to go down I think you need another one lined up. Seems very possible that we instead go inhouse for a #5 and hope the Reckling can be a mid summer call up if hes ready and we need to improve our SP or we look for a trade at that point. Like Lee from the M's, lol.
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Posted 2009-12-19 8:55 PM (#732735 - in reply to #731901)
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Mauch Won - 12/18/2009 1:42 PM

Vasquez would be a nice addition but I expect him to invoke his NTC. With that in mind, how about a three way that would net us someone else we could use.

Tampa Bay would get Vasquez, Atlanta gets Rivera, and the Angels get Crawford. Other pieces would probably have to be included to balance the trade

The Angels can slot Crawford at leadoff, Atlanta gets their power bat and the Rays get a front of the line pitcher.

The sick line up would be

Crawford
Abreu
Torii
KMo
Matsui
Napoli
Howie
Wood
Aybar


Its not an awful idea. But I don't think $6MM is worth the difference between Rivera and Crawford. Also, consider Crawford is a FA in 2011, while Rivera will be getting paid $5.25MM.

If you want Carl, get him next year when he is a FA. If you trade Rivera (which I wouldn't), it should be for a SP. Our OF is full as it is. Rivera should be last on the list of people to look to upgrade. Upgrade CF or RF. LF is fine.

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AngelsFanSince79
Posted 2009-12-19 11:07 PM (#732771 - in reply to #729652)
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No one wants to play out west because travel is that much harder with time zone changes. It's much easier to fly west and play than it is to fly east and play. I have a lot of trouble going east for business. It ruins an entire day getting there and then I have a 7am breakfast which is really 4am on my body's clock and I had to get up at 3am to make it happen. I'm exhausted by noon. It's awful and ball players feel the same thing.

As for Vazquez, he wants to be able to fly home to Puerto Rico on an off-day and from Atlanta, that's an easy flight. I know he had a great year last year but I'm confused why people think his career has been so great. He's been average in the AL.
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Posted 2009-12-20 8:06 AM (#732837 - in reply to #731713)
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beatlesrule - 12/18/2009 11:52 AM

Lol Morales for a 34 year old pitcher straight up? If the Braves are asking any teams for players like that, they aren't serious about trading him. I agree with Mitch Wild Thing Williams on the subject of Vazquez. He thinks the Braves will just keep all 6 SP and have that depth all season long in case of any injuries.


LOL yep it was pretty laughable when I read it.
I saw it at braves.scout.com forums
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