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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 10:00 AM (#612130)
Subject: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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Vladimir Guerrero recently became only the second player in MLB history to record 1,000 hits with two different teams, one being in the AL the other in the NL.

Who is the only other player to accomplish the feat?
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Blarg
Posted 2009-09-12 10:03 AM (#612134 - in reply to #612130)
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That would 1,000 hits in the NL and 1,000 doinks, squibs, and bloops in the AL. Get your facts right.
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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 10:06 AM (#612136 - in reply to #612130)
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844 doinks, squibs and bloops and 171 wheelhouses in the AL.
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Blarg
Posted 2009-09-12 10:09 AM (#612138 - in reply to #612136)
Subject: Re: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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The 171 in the wheelhouse don't count.
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joboomxpx
Posted 2009-09-12 10:11 AM (#612140 - in reply to #612130)
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rod carew Angels and Twins. oops.. i just reread. NL and AL??

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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 10:12 AM (#612141 - in reply to #612130)
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Those teams are both in the AL, joboom.
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 10:13 AM (#612142 - in reply to #612130)
Subject: RE: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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I'm going to take a guess...Frank Robinson?
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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 10:14 AM (#612144 - in reply to #612130)
Subject: Re: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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That was my guess, fs79. Incorrect, though.

Frank "only" had 882 hits with the Orioles.

Edited by LightTheHalo 2009-09-12 10:16 AM
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Mulwin444
Posted 2009-09-12 10:17 AM (#612147 - in reply to #612130)
Subject: Re: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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Dave Winfield - for the Padres and the Yankees
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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 10:17 AM (#612150 - in reply to #612130)
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Mulwin is correct. Well done, sir.
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Mulwin444
Posted 2009-09-12 10:21 AM (#612152 - in reply to #612150)
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LightTheHalo - 9/12/2009 10:17 AM

Mulwin is correct. Well done, sir.


I'd like to thank Dave Winfield and Vlad Guerrero for making this moment possible
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stormngt
Posted 2009-09-12 10:23 AM (#612155 - in reply to #612136)
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LightTheHalo - 9/12/2009 10:06 AM

844 doinks, squibs and bloops and 171 wheelhouses in the AL.


I miss Munkee...Why was he banned?

He brought such entertainment to the board.
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 10:24 AM (#612156 - in reply to #612130)
Subject: RE: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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Winfield. Of course!

Thinking about Guerrero, I'm wondering if perhaps he might have the highest ratio of GIDP's per AB in major league history among the top all-time hitters. I don't know how to look up something like that, but I have a feeling he's got the record.
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NJHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 10:26 AM (#612158 - in reply to #612130)
Subject: Re: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league




Bobby Bonds must have been close
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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 10:26 AM (#612159 - in reply to #612130)
Subject: Re: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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Thinking about Guerrero, I'm wondering if perhaps he might have the highest ratio of GIDP's per AB in major league history among the top all-time hitters. I don't know how to look up something like that, but I have a feeling he's got the record.

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http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/higidp1.shtml
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st1ckboy
Posted 2009-09-12 10:33 AM (#612166 - in reply to #612159)
Subject: Re: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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LightTheHalo - 9/12/2009 10:26 AM

Thinking about Guerrero, I'm wondering if perhaps he might have the highest ratio of GIDP's per AB in major league history among the top all-time hitters. I don't know how to look up something like that, but I have a feeling he's got the record.

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http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/higidp1.shtml





Rank Player (age) Double Plays Grounded Into Bats
1. Cal Ripken+ 350 R
2. Hank Aaron+ 328 R
3. Carl Yastrzemski+ 323 L
4. Dave Winfield+ 319 R
5. Eddie Murray+ 316 B
6. Jim Rice+ 315 R
7. Julio Franco 312 R
8. Ivan Rodriguez (37) 302 R
9. Harold Baines 298 L
10. Brooks Robinson+ 297 R
Rusty Staub 297 L
12. Ted Simmons 287 B
13. Joe Torre 284 R
14. George Scott 277 R
15. Roberto Clemente+ 275 R
16. Al Kaline+ 271 R
17. Frank Robinson+ 269 R
18. Tony Perez+ 268 R
19. Dave Concepcion 266 R
20. Ernie Lombardi+ 261 R
21. Tony Gwynn+ 260 L
22. Ron Santo 256 R
23. Buddy Bell 255 R
24. Al Oliver 254 L
25. Steve Garvey 251 R
Willie Mays+ 251 R
27. Ken Singleton 248 B
28. Bill Buckner 247 L
Pete Rose 247 B
30. Miguel Tejada (35) 244 R
31. Harmon Killebrew+ 243 R
Stan Musial+ 243 L
33. Wade Boggs+ 236 L
Gary Gaetti 236 R
Vladimir Guerrero (34) 236 R
36. George Brett+ 235 L
Manny Ramirez (37) 235 R
Gary Sheffield (40) 235 R
39. Tony Pena 234 R
40. Chili Davis 232 B
John Olerud 232 L
42. Rafael Palmeiro 231 L
43. Ernie Banks+ 229 R
Mike Piazza 229 R
45. Dwight Evans 227 R
46. Fred McGriff 226 L
47. Edgar Renteria (33) 225 R
Frank Thomas 225 R
49. Vinny Castilla 224 R
Jeff Kent 224 R



Edited by st1ckboy 2009-09-12 10:36 AM
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 10:35 AM (#612169 - in reply to #612130)
Subject: RE: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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Thanks for that link, LTH.

Although Vlad's only tied for 33rd in career GIDP's, most of the guys ahead of him have a lot more AB's.
He's not even in the top 100 in career AB's. I'd be interested in the ratio, rather than just the number of double plays.

(edited for the updated, current numbers)

Edited by fan_since79 2009-09-12 10:41 AM
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 11:07 AM (#612214 - in reply to #612130)
Subject: RE: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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Vladimir Guerrero is in 273rd place all-time in at-bats, yet tied for the 33rd spot in career GIDP's.

That just about clinches it for me.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/AB_career.shtml
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st1ckboy
Posted 2009-09-12 11:08 AM (#612217 - in reply to #612214)
Subject: RE: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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fan_since79 - 9/12/2009 11:07 AM

Vladimir Guerrero is in 273rd place all-time in at-bats, yet tied for the 33rd spot in career GIDP's.

That just about clinches it for me.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/AB_career.shtml



Clinches what?
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 11:10 AM (#612223 - in reply to #612217)
Subject: RE: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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Highest ratio of GIDP's per AB.

The man's a double play machine. As well as a great hitter, of course.
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Blarg
Posted 2009-09-12 11:12 AM (#612232 - in reply to #612169)
Subject: RE: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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fan_since79 - 9/12/2009 10:35 AM Thanks for that link, LTH. Although Vlad's only tied for 33rd in career GIDP's, most of the guys ahead of him have a lot more AB's. He's not even in the top 100 in career AB's. I'd be interested in the ratio, rather than just the number of double plays. (edited for the updated, current numbers)
You'd have to be a complete idiot not to want Guerrero as your right fielder over length of his career because of his GIDP ratio. A complete idiot.
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Taylor
Posted 2009-09-12 11:13 AM (#612233 - in reply to #612214)
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fan_since79 - 9/12/2009 11:07 AM

Vladimir Guerrero is in 273rd place all-time in at-bats, yet tied for the 33rd spot in career GIDP's.

That just about clinches it for me.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/AB_career.shtml


Hank Aaron is in second all-time for most career GIDP. He skus!
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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 12:43 PM (#612354 - in reply to #612130)
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Just do the math:

Ripken: 11,551 at-bats / 350 GIDP = one GIDP every 33 at-bats

Guerrero: 6,932 at-bats / 236 GIDP = one GIDP every 29.4 at-bats

Tejada: 7,242 at-bats / 244 GIDP = one GIDP every 29.7 at-bats

I'm not going to do all the math for you. He may very well be tops on the list, but if you're going to make a claim, be willing to do the work first.
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Bruce Nye
Posted 2009-09-12 12:55 PM (#612371 - in reply to #612130)
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I bet Ken Griffey, Jr. is pretty close.
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 6:16 PM (#612854 - in reply to #612232)
Subject: RE: Trivia: 1,000 hits, two teams, each league



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Blarg - 9/12/2009 11:12 AM

fan_since79 - 9/12/2009 10:35 AM Thanks for that link, LTH. Although Vlad's only tied for 33rd in career GIDP's, most of the guys ahead of him have a lot more AB's. He's not even in the top 100 in career AB's. I'd be interested in the ratio, rather than just the number of double plays. (edited for the updated, current numbers)
You'd have to be a complete idiot not to want Guerrero as your right fielder over length of his career because of his GIDP ratio. A complete idiot.


When did I say I didn't want him as my right fielder over the the length of his career? All I said is he hits into a lot of double plays. I acknowledge that he's a great player, there's no doubt about that.

It's also rude to call posters idiots, or as you put it, complete idiots.
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 6:20 PM (#612857 - in reply to #612354)
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LightTheHalo - 9/12/2009 12:43 PM

Just do the math:

Ripken: 11,551 at-bats / 350 GIDP = one GIDP every 33 at-bats

Guerrero: 6,932 at-bats / 236 GIDP = one GIDP every 29.4 at-bats

Tejada: 7,242 at-bats / 244 GIDP = one GIDP every 29.7 at-bats

I'm not going to do all the math for you. He may very well be tops on the list, but if you're going to make a claim, be willing to do the work first.


I'll certainly do the math when I have some time, and get back to you. I was just wondering if there was a place to look up something like that. I guess there isn't. I should have just said I had a feeling he was tops, and not jumped so soon to a conclusion. I'll certainly get a complete list available and post it later.
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eaterfan
Posted 2009-09-12 9:17 PM (#612947 - in reply to #612130)
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A more interesting question is how many ABs each player had in GIDP situations. Vlad playing so many years on bad teams in Montreal and weak offensive teams in Anaheim probably didn't have nearly as many ABs with men on first or first and second as some of the other players on that list.
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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-09-12 9:21 PM (#612950 - in reply to #612130)
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Look at their career splits and you can see how many times each came up in double play situations. Here are Vlad's:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=guerrvl01&ye...
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disarcina
Posted 2009-09-12 9:52 PM (#612954 - in reply to #612130)
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my first guess was Frank Robinson with the Reds and Orioles.

that's wrong -- so Dave Winfield........1,000 with Padres and Yankees.......I didn't realize he had spent enough time with either team to get to 1,000.

but his stats must show he had very productive seasons with those teams for six seasons or so.

Winfield also played for Toronto, the Angels, the Indians etc. Did Winfield do two tours with the Yankees?
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disarcina
Posted 2009-09-12 10:01 PM (#612957 - in reply to #612130)
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on the 1,000 hits for two different teams in two different leagues -- Ken Griffey Jr. came closer than Frank Robinson. Griffey had 904 hits with the Cincinnati Reds when he was traded to the White Sox.

He has more than 1,000 hits during his first stint with Seattle when he was clearly the best player in baseball during that time and IMO close to being right up there with Willie Mays all time .......then the trade to Cincy, the slow start there, the injuries.....some of the joy of baseball seemed to go out of Junior during those first few years in Cincy.....
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 10:26 PM (#612969 - in reply to #612950)
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I've done the math, and out of the Top 50 players all-time in GIDP's, here are the top ten in highest frequency of DP's, with Plate Appearances being the standard I've decided to employ:

Ernie Lombardi.... 6349 PA's, 261 GIDP's, ratio of 24.32 PA's/GIDP
Jim Rice...9058 PA, 315 GIDP, 28.75 PA/GIDP
George Scott....8269/277, 29.85
Tony Pena....7073/234, 30.22
Joe Torre....8801/284, 30.98
Julio Franco....9731/312, 31.18
Ivan Rodriguez....9667/302, 32.00
Miguel Tejada....7932/244, 32.50
VLADIMIR GUERRERO....7755 PA, 236 GIDP, for a ratio of 32.86 plate appearances per GIDP
Vinny Castilla....7384/224, 32.96

Vlad is tied for 33rd place all-time in total number of GIDP, but in 9th place for most frequently grounding into a double play. My initial feeling that he was tops on the list was obviously wrong, but I don't think I was too far from the truth. Also, Vlad is still playing, and arguably starting to decline, so he may move up on that list before he's through.
If he continues to bat cleanup for the rest of his career, he's going to have his fair share of chances to add to the total with at least a runner on first base in front of him and less than two outs.


Edited by fan_since79 2009-09-12 10:54 PM
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fan_since79
Posted 2009-09-12 10:42 PM (#612976 - in reply to #612969)
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Out of the top 50 all-time in number of GIDP’s, here are the top ten in lowest frequency of double plays. Plate appearances per GIDP is the standard I’ve used here.

Pete Rose....15861 Plate appearances, 247 GIDP, for a ratio of 64.21 Plate appearances per GIDP.
Stan Musial....12712 PA/243 GIDP, a ratio of 52.31 PA/GIDP
Rafael Palmeiro....12046/231, ratio of 52.14
Willie Mays....12493/251, 49.77
George Brett....11624/235, 49.46
Gary Sheffield....10942/235, 46.56
Dwight Evans....10569/227, 46.55
Wade Boggs....10740/236, 45.50
Ernie Banks....10395/229, 45.39
Fred McGriff....10174/226, 45.01
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