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HaloThunder
Posted 2009-08-29 7:30 AM (#595977)
Subject: Who's the PTBNL?


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The Rays still have a bid for the wildcard, so who's going to be the PTBNL? I'd imagine it would be a starting pitcher as some compensation n2 the deal. Then again, they're probably looking for a 7 - 9 holder out of the bullpen with their satisfaction over Neimann.

I'll venture to say that it will be Arrendondo that his recent call up might've been for showcasing. Good luck, Jose, you'll do quite well for them!

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HalozIn09
Posted 2009-08-29 7:31 AM (#595978 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: RE: Who's the PTBNL?


It's Walden.
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jsnpritchett
Posted 2009-08-29 7:39 AM (#595983 - in reply to #595978)
Subject: RE: Who's the PTBNL?



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Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 7:31 AM

It's Walden.


Are you basing that just on what Chuck said in another thread? Was that speculation by Chuck, or "inside information?"
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HalozIn09
Posted 2009-08-29 7:41 AM (#595984 - in reply to #595983)
Subject: RE: Who's the PTBNL?


jsnpritchett - 8/29/2009 7:39 AM

Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 7:31 AM

It's Walden.


Are you basing that just on what Chuck said in another thread? Was that speculation by Chuck, or "inside information?"


That + Walden was removed from the Travs roster yesterday ACCORDING TO REPORTS (happy?). I check it often... as recently as last week ... which is an estimate (happy?), trying to find out when Walden will finally get off the DL....and he suddenly disappeared yesterday per reports. He was there last week.

I think it's safe to say that he's gone based on what Chuck said (again...happy?).

Edited by Fan Strong 2009-08-29 1:12 PM
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Angelsjunky
Posted 2009-08-29 8:16 AM (#595994 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Walden + Sweeney + Torres = not looking so good anymore.
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totdprods
Posted 2009-08-29 8:30 AM (#595997 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


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Still think it's gonna be SRod, Wood, Mathis, or Reggie. Didn't Maddon say it was someone with ML experience?
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Morales4MVP
Posted 2009-08-29 9:02 AM (#596012 - in reply to #595997)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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totdprods - 8/29/2009 8:30 AM

Still think it's gonna be SRod, Wood, Mathis, or Reggie. Didn't Maddon say it was someone with ML experience?


Sounds like it will be Napoli or S-Rod then.
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gotbeer
Posted 2009-08-29 9:08 AM (#596015 - in reply to #596012)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 9:02 AM

totdprods - 8/29/2009 8:30 AM

Still think it's gonna be SRod, Wood, Mathis, or Reggie. Didn't Maddon say it was someone with ML experience?


Sounds like it will be Napoli or S-Rod then.


If Napoli is the PTBNL, this board will go nuts for about a week, if not the entire offseason.
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Morales4MVP
Posted 2009-08-29 9:22 AM (#596021 - in reply to #596015)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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gotbeer - 8/29/2009 9:08 AM

Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 9:02 AM

totdprods - 8/29/2009 8:30 AM

Still think it's gonna be SRod, Wood, Mathis, or Reggie. Didn't Maddon say it was someone with ML experience?


Sounds like it will be Napoli or S-Rod then.


If Napoli is the PTBNL, this board will go nuts for about a week, if not the entire offseason.


I'll probally have to start taking another anti-depressant if that happens.
Paxil alone wont help ! I'll need Zoloft lol.

For Tampa he would make sense, his home state, he likes to hit the Yanks and RedSox.
Scary part would be if Tampa made the post season and they knocked the Angels out with a Napoli walkoff HR off Fuentes.
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Chilidaviseyez
Posted 2009-08-29 9:29 AM (#596025 - in reply to #596012)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


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Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 10:02 AM Sounds like it will be Napoli or S-Rod then.

The PTBNL can't be on the current 25 man roster as one of the requirements to be a PTBNL is you have to change leagues.  AL to NL, PCL to AL etc.  Could be S-Rod but it can't be Napoli.

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wopphil
Posted 2009-08-29 9:31 AM (#596027 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


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And isn't it true that Walden isn't on the 40-man roster? So, why would he be a PTBNL, as opposed to just part of the trade?
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Chilidaviseyez
Posted 2009-08-29 9:33 AM (#596028 - in reply to #596027)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


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wopphil - 8/29/2009 10:31 AM And isn't it true that Walden isn't on the 40-man roster? So, why would he be a PTBNL, as opposed to just part of the trade?

Teams don't like trading players on the DL.

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gotbeer
Posted 2009-08-29 9:37 AM (#596032 - in reply to #596027)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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wopphil - 8/29/2009 9:31 AM

And isn't it true that Walden isn't on the 40-man roster? So, why would he be a PTBNL, as opposed to just part of the trade?


Walden is on the DL. So the Rays probably want to examine him when healthy to make sure it's not a serious injury. Peavy was the first time in a very long time I've actually seen a team trade for someone on the DL. Most teams stay away or PTBNL players on the DL to make sure they aren't getting damaged goods.
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Angel Oracle
Posted 2009-08-29 9:37 AM (#596033 - in reply to #596028)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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The development of Michael Kohn as a closer in the minors possibly made Walden a little more expendable. Kohn is the real deal by all accounts, and Walden more likely projects as a setup man/closer because he only has 2 pitches.

Edited by Angel Oracle 2009-08-29 9:40 AM
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Scott34
Posted 2009-08-29 9:45 AM (#596042 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Didnt someone say they would run on the field naked if it was Walden???
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STEVESTEVENS
Posted 2009-08-29 10:03 AM (#596066 - in reply to #596033)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?




Angel Oracle - 8/29/2009 10:37 AM

The development of Michael Kohn as a closer in the minors possibly made Walden a little more expendable. Kohn is the real deal by all accounts, and Walden more likely projects as a setup man/closer because he only has 2 pitches.


Bane is very high on Bobby Cassevah and Mosebach was a surprise too. I think the org has a lot of good bullpen guys in the low levels which made Walden expendable although he has a very high ceiling.
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HeyLowPhan1
Posted 2009-08-29 10:11 AM (#596074 - in reply to #596025)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


Chilidaviseyez - 8/29/2009 9:29 AM

Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 10:02 AM Sounds like it will be Napoli or S-Rod then.

The PTBNL can't be on the current 25 man roster as one of the requirements to be a PTBNL is you have to change leagues.  AL to NL, PCL to AL etc.  Could be S-Rod but it can't be Napoli.

Guess it can't be Mathis then.  I just lost the pool.

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Chilidaviseyez
Posted 2009-08-29 10:14 AM (#596080 - in reply to #596074)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


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HeyLowPhan1 - 8/29/2009 11:11 AM

Guess it can't be Mathis then.  I just lost the pool.

I hope you got really good odds on that pick. 

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Morales4MVP
Posted 2009-08-29 10:17 AM (#596085 - in reply to #596025)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Chilidaviseyez - 8/29/2009 9:29 AM

Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 10:02 AM Sounds like it will be Napoli or S-Rod then.

The PTBNL can't be on the current 25 man roster as one of the requirements to be a PTBNL is you have to change leagues.  AL to NL, PCL to AL etc.  Could be S-Rod but it can't be Napoli.



Thanks. I am happy to hear that.
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Chuck Richter
Posted 2009-08-29 10:47 AM (#596135 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: RE: Who's the PTBNL?



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I should clarify something here.

When I posted "We're getting Scott Kazmir" yesterday, that was concrete, firm. A trusted source of mine had some dialogue yesterday and he gave me the thumbs up even when Spencer pulled the article and posted another one saying it fell through. If I wasn't stuck on a conference call at work, followed by rushing out to meet my wife and kids to take in a movie, then out to dinner, then out to pick up my son from Church. Busy day!

With that said, I don't have any inside information on who the PTBNL is. Just a good hunch is all after thinking about a lot of what has been said, from many sources in the media and a couple of my own trusted sources. 

To me, I believe it is Jordan Walden. He was by a good majority of the prospect/minor league outlets the Angels top prospect heading into this season.

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Blarg
Posted 2009-08-29 10:52 AM (#596142 - in reply to #596135)
Subject: RE: Who's the PTBNL?



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One the one hand I don't think it is Walden simply because he is a no brainer pick and so there would not be a delay in announcing the last choice, he would be more of the cornerstone than the after thought. On the other hand the reason he could be the pick would be the Rays are waiting for medical records to insure he's healthy enough to continue on his career path.
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disarcina
Posted 2009-08-29 10:54 AM (#596145 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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I don't think it will be Napoli, Sean Rodriguez or certainly not Brandon Wood.

Arredondo possibly.

But Chuck's instincts combined with the roster move the Travs made, probably means it's Walden and the delay may be associated with Walden taking and clearing a physical.
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LightTheHalo
Posted 2009-08-29 10:58 AM (#596152 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Maddon's quote again:

"We're very excited about the player that we can't name yet, but also about the other two," Rays manager Joe Maddon said. "The lefty has a great arm, and Sweeney is one of the best hitters in the minors."

Sounds like the PTBNL was the centerpiece.
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jsnpritchett
Posted 2009-08-29 11:05 AM (#596158 - in reply to #596145)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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disarcina - 8/29/2009 10:54 AM

But Chuck's instincts combined with the roster move the Travs made, probably means it's Walden and the delay may be associated with Walden taking and clearing a physical.


http://www.futureangels.com/tempe/summerroster2009.pdf

You'll find Walden there. Regardless of what Fan Strong or anyone else says, Walden hasn't been on the Arkansas roster for a while.

That doesn't mean that the player to be named ISN'T Walden--just that some of the reasoning why people are positing him as an option is faulty.
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Morales4MVP
Posted 2009-08-29 11:06 AM (#596160 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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The PTBNL was the center piece in the Hairston trade to Oakland.
It ended up being Sean Gallagher who might have been on the DL at the time.

I think the same thing happens in this PTBNL deal. I just find it funny Maddon is excited about 2 years from now and not this season.
The only thing to be excited about with Torres is what he could do in 2011 for the Rays.
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HalozIn09
Posted 2009-08-29 11:07 AM (#596162 - in reply to #596158)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


jsnpritchett - 8/29/2009 11:05 AM

disarcina - 8/29/2009 10:54 AM

But Chuck's instincts combined with the roster move the Travs made, probably means it's Walden and the delay may be associated with Walden taking and clearing a physical.


http://www.futureangels.com/tempe/summerroster2009.pdf

You'll find Walden there. Regardless of what Fan Strong or anyone else says, Walden hasn't been on the Arkansas roster for a while.

That doesn't mean that the player to be named ISN'T Walden--just that some of the reasoning why people are positing him as an option is faulty.


He was listed on the Travs website...the same website that I visit frequently trying to find out what the deal is with Walden. He was listed there around 10 days ago.
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Chilidaviseyez
Posted 2009-08-29 11:08 AM (#596164 - in reply to #596160)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


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Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 12:06 PM I just find it funny Maddon is excited about 2 years from now and not this season. The only thing to be excited about with Torres is what he could do in 2011 for the Rays.

It's called putting the best spin on an apparent salary dump (albeit with a decent return) while your team is in the playoff chase.

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Lifetime
Posted 2009-08-29 11:08 AM (#596165 - in reply to #596160)
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Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 11:06 AM

The PTBNL was the center piece in the Hairston trade to Oakland.
It ended up being Sean Gallagher who might have been on the DL at the time.

I think the same thing happens in this PTBNL deal. I just find it funny Maddon is excited about 2 years from now and not this season.
The only thing to be excited about with Torres is what he could do in 2011 for the Rays.


So Joe should only be excited about what the trade does for the team now, not what the players mean to the club in the future?
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jsnpritchett
Posted 2009-08-29 11:08 AM (#596166 - in reply to #596162)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 11:07 AM

jsnpritchett - 8/29/2009 11:05 AM

disarcina - 8/29/2009 10:54 AM

But Chuck's instincts combined with the roster move the Travs made, probably means it's Walden and the delay may be associated with Walden taking and clearing a physical.


http://www.futureangels.com/tempe/summerroster2009.pdf

You'll find Walden there. Regardless of what Fan Strong or anyone else says, Walden hasn't been on the Arkansas roster for a while.

That doesn't mean that the player to be named ISN'T Walden--just that some of the reasoning why people are positing him as an option is faulty.


He was listed on the Travs website...the same website that I visit frequently trying to find out what the deal is with Walden. He was listed there around 10 days ago.


Then don't you think it's more logical that they just made an error in not taking him off their website, since he's been on the Tempe roster for weeks now? Plus, now you're saying you visited the site "around 10 days ago." You made it sound in an earlier post like you thought he had mysteriously been taken off the roster yesterday or something.
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disarcina
Posted 2009-08-29 11:10 AM (#596168 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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the Rays are 9 games back, are they really in the wild card race or is that pretty much Boston's as we speak.

Maddon may be looking ahead in a very practical way -- unloading Kazmir suggests the same -- you don't dump Kazmir now if you are battling for the wild card.....and Kazmir was a salary dump by Tampa Bay.....so I think it's a player for next year or the year after and , of course, Maddon's going to say 'yeah, we're exciting about the third guy yet to be named......"

thanks for the info on Walden and the Travs roster change -- corrections for accuracy always appreciated here.
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Blarg
Posted 2009-08-29 11:11 AM (#596169 - in reply to #596162)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Hey, FS. Are you sure you didn't get your information from Rev Halofan?

http://www.halosheaven.com/2009/8/29/1006687/jordan-walden-is-the-player-to-be



Edited by Blarg 2009-08-29 11:11 AM
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HalozIn09
Posted 2009-08-29 11:11 AM (#596170 - in reply to #596166)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


jsnpritchett - 8/29/2009 11:08 AM

Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 11:07 AM

jsnpritchett - 8/29/2009 11:05 AM

disarcina - 8/29/2009 10:54 AM

But Chuck's instincts combined with the roster move the Travs made, probably means it's Walden and the delay may be associated with Walden taking and clearing a physical.


http://www.futureangels.com/tempe/summerroster2009.pdf

You'll find Walden there. Regardless of what Fan Strong or anyone else says, Walden hasn't been on the Arkansas roster for a while.

That doesn't mean that the player to be named ISN'T Walden--just that some of the reasoning why people are positing him as an option is faulty.


He was listed on the Travs website...the same website that I visit frequently trying to find out what the deal is with Walden. He was listed there around 10 days ago.


Then don't you think it's more logical that they just made an error in not taking him off their website, since he's been on the Tempe roster for weeks now? Plus, now you're saying you visited the site "around 10 days ago." You made it sound in an earlier post like you thought he had mysteriously been taken off the roster yesterday or something.


How the heck was I supposed to know he wasn't on their roster? Their website said he was.

And no, please post facts. I said I checked that website a week ago (around 10 days ago). And that according to reports, he disappeared yesterday. I don't know how accurate that is...which is why I said according to reports. I never said I witnessed it. That's just what I read.

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Chilidaviseyez
Posted 2009-08-29 11:12 AM (#596171 - in reply to #596168)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


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disarcina - 8/29/2009 12:10 PM the Rays are 9 games back, are they really in the wild card race or is that pretty much Boston's as we speak.

It was 3.5 when the trade was basically made and known public.  Would anyone here consider the Angels out of the playoff race if they were 3.5 back?

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HalozIn09
Posted 2009-08-29 11:13 AM (#596174 - in reply to #596169)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


Blarg - 8/29/2009 11:11 AM

Hey, FS. Are you sure you didn't get your information from Rev Halofan?

http://www.halosheaven.com/2009/8/29/1006687/jordan-walden-is-the-player-to-be



Nope.
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jsnpritchett
Posted 2009-08-29 11:15 AM (#596177 - in reply to #596170)
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Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 11:11 AM


How the heck was I supposed to know he wasn't on their roster? Their website said he was.

And no, please post facts. I said I checked that website a week ago (around 10 days ago). And that according to reports, he disappeared yesterday. I don't know how accurate that is...which is why I said according to reports. I never said I witnessed it. That's just what I read.



I did post facts. You changed from "last week" to "around 10 days ago." And you did, in fact, make it sound like he mysteriously disappeared from the roster yesterday, regardless of where you got that (faulty) information.

EDIT: Edit to again add that this DOES NOT mean that Walden isn't the player to be named later.

Edited by jsnpritchett 2009-08-29 11:16 AM
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Blarg
Posted 2009-08-29 11:17 AM (#596182 - in reply to #596174)
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Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 11:13 AM
Blarg - 8/29/2009 11:11 AM

Hey, FS. Are you sure you didn't get your information from Rev Halofan?

http://www.halosheaven.com/2009/8/29/1006687/jordan-walden-is-the-player-to-be

Nope.
Sure sounds like the exact same logic. Weren't you invited to be a writer or something over there?
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HalozIn09
Posted 2009-08-29 11:18 AM (#596184 - in reply to #596177)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


jsnpritchett - 8/29/2009 11:15 AM

Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 11:11 AM


How the heck was I supposed to know he wasn't on their roster? Their website said he was.

And no, please post facts. I said I checked that website a week ago (around 10 days ago). And that according to reports, he disappeared yesterday. I don't know how accurate that is...which is why I said according to reports. I never said I witnessed it. That's just what I read.



I did post facts. You changed from "last week" to "around 10 days ago." And you did, in fact, make it sound like he mysteriously disappeared from the roster yesterday, regardless of where you got that (faulty) information.


Oh for F sake. Last week. Around 10 days. Same If I said a week and a half, would it be better for you?

I assumed that Chuck had inside knowledge, first of all. Second of all, I said he disappeared ACCORDING TO REPORTS. I never said I witnessed it. I never said anything about whether report is accurate or not. Quit implying things that aren't true.



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HalozIn09
Posted 2009-08-29 11:19 AM (#596188 - in reply to #596182)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


Blarg - 8/29/2009 11:17 AM

Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 11:13 AM
Blarg - 8/29/2009 11:11 AM

Hey, FS. Are you sure you didn't get your information from Rev Halofan?

http://www.halosheaven.com/2009/8/29/1006687/jordan-walden-is-the-player-to-be

Nope.
Sure sounds like the exact same logic. Weren't you invited to be a writer or something over there?


Nope. I wasn't. Where the hell are you getting that from?
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Blarg
Posted 2009-08-29 11:22 AM (#596192 - in reply to #596188)
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Never mind, it must have been someone else under a different name. Go about your postulating.
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VictoriousGhost
Posted 2009-08-29 11:23 AM (#596195 - in reply to #595977)
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disarcina
Posted 2009-08-29 11:24 AM (#596197 - in reply to #595977)
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3.5 back in the W/C -- why are they dealing Kazmir for prospects then? If a Rays fan, I would not be happy.

and Kazmir's value would remain the same with two years left on his contract....whatever they're getting now from the Halos, they could get in the off-season. Makes no sense unless the Rays themselves figure they can't catch Boston........not saying they can't or that they're out of it -- but if you're making a run, you keep a pitcher the quality of Kazmir --- are they concerned he'll go down again between now and the end of the year? Each of his recent starts have been progressively stronger......that's what the Halos scouting has shown, I'm fairly certain of that.

I like the deal from our end........
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Lifetime
Posted 2009-08-29 11:25 AM (#596199 - in reply to #596195)
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VictoriousGhost - 8/29/2009 11:23 AM

Somebody PM'ed me late last year and asked that I join their site as a writer. Can't remember the site though. Don't think it was Halos Heaven, because that would have confused me (Halos Haven was Fozzy's old site). Where is Fozzy nowadays anyway? :(


He's been busy with work and has been mostly lurking on MB's rather than participating
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Chilidaviseyez
Posted 2009-08-29 11:28 AM (#596204 - in reply to #596197)
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disarcina - 8/29/2009 12:24 PM 3.5 back in the W/C -- why are they dealing Kazmir for prospects then? If a Rays fan, I would not be happy. and Kazmir's value would remain the same with two years left on his contract....

As their fans have said though, if they use this money to resign Crawford they will be happy. The Angels may not offer nearly as much in the offseason with as bad as they need pitching right now.

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jsnpritchett
Posted 2009-08-29 11:28 AM (#596205 - in reply to #596169)
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Fan Strong - 8/29/2009 11:25 AM

They weren't sources. They were just comments, okay? And I had no reason to doubt it. And doesn't matter. I never said it was true. I just reported what I read. If you want to make a big deal about nothing, go ahead.


So why can't you just say where you read that he'd been removed from the roster yesterday, then? To my knowledge, HH is the only site that is reporting that.

EDIT: Actually, I take that back. Even HH doesn't say he was removed yesterday.

Edited by jsnpritchett 2009-08-29 11:30 AM
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Morales4MVP
Posted 2009-08-29 11:30 AM (#596207 - in reply to #595977)
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From my knowledge Fan Strong is a guy who does his own research and probally found his info without even knowing HH found the same info as well.

Edited by Napoli4MVP 2009-08-29 11:32 AM
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HalozIn09
Posted 2009-08-29 11:31 AM (#596208 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?


They were comments by some random persons. I don't know where I read it. I've been on at least 20 different baseball websites since yesterday trying to find out more about this trade and who could be the ptbnl. I don't know where I read it. And frankly, I don't care.
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Lifetime
Posted 2009-08-29 11:31 AM (#596209 - in reply to #596207)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 11:30 AM

From my knowledge Fan Strong is a guy who does his own research and probally found his info without even knowing HH did as well.


From your knowledge?
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Morales4MVP
Posted 2009-08-29 11:33 AM (#596211 - in reply to #596209)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Lifetime - 8/29/2009 11:31 AM

Napoli4MVP - 8/29/2009 11:30 AM

From my knowledge Fan Strong is a guy who does his own research and probally found his info without even knowing HH did as well.


From your knowledge?


He seems to mention his research places like Fangraphs etc in the past.
He probally like anyone who researches alot probally checks alot of places.
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OTT
Posted 2009-08-29 11:39 AM (#596222 - in reply to #596197)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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disarcina - 8/29/2009 11:24 AM

3.5 back in the W/C -- why are they dealing Kazmir for prospects then? If a Rays fan, I would not be happy.

and Kazmir's value would remain the same with two years left on his contract....whatever they're getting now from the Halos, they could get in the off-season. Makes no sense unless the Rays themselves figure they can't catch Boston........not saying they can't or that they're out of it -- but if you're making a run, you keep a pitcher the quality of Kazmir --- are they concerned he'll go down again between now and the end of the year? Each of his recent starts have been progressively stronger......that's what the Halos scouting has shown, I'm fairly certain of that.

I like the deal from our end........


I wouldn't be happy either, because Kazmir has been the Rays best pitcher in their young history, the face of the staff much like Crawford is the face of their offense (slowly being replaced by Longoria). But they are loaded with pitching prospects and it's not likely he will make a difference for the wild card run, not the way he's pitched this year. At least that's the way the Rays are thinking, I assume
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Long Reliever
Posted 2009-08-29 12:31 PM (#596270 - in reply to #595977)
Subject: Re: Who's the PTBNL?



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Anyone else thinking Petit? Seems like the kind of player that Angels can afford to loose, yet is more exciting than the other two prosects (If Sweeney was healty moe often, then I would have him better).
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