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| Fan Strong - 6/15/2009 3:04 PM GMJ's BABIP in his contract year: .349 GMJ's career BABIP: .300 GMJ's BABIP the following 3 years with the Angels? .283....294...305 If the Angels looked at BABIP, they'd know he didn't turn a corner at all. He was the same GMJ. What about Pujols? |
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| Fan Strong - 6/15/2009 3:01 PM
Lifetime - 6/15/2009 2:55 PM
So, BABIP is valuable to know why again?
Why not? Why is batting average valuable to know? Or OBP? Or SLG?
Besides, you can use this metric to spot who is getting lucky and who isn't. It's a good thing to use when you're about to give out a huge contract to a pitcher or hitter. If a hitter with a .300 career BABIP suddenly has a .400 BABIP in his contract year (or any year for that matter ), you see that the hitter got lucky and isn't going to repeat it again.
If the Angels did that with GMJ, and weren't relying on hope (as Stoneman believed some players "figure" it out later, and compared GMJ to some player who finally starting hitting in his mid-30s ), they'd realize that GMJ's numbers were inflated because of a BABIP that didn't match anything he did before. The Angels would be $50 million dollars richer and wouldn't have a disaster on their hands.
Same can be said for pitchers. If a pitcher suddenly has a .250 BABIP in their contract year (or any year ), you can see that the pitcher got lucky and isn't going to repeat it again.
It can be useful if used properly.
yes because observation and looking at available standard stats just doesn't give you that insight. I don't think many here though GMJ would reproduce the year he had before being signed as an Angel. We didn't need BABIP to tell us that. Well, most of us didn't anyway. |
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| Fan Strong - 6/15/2009 3:04 PM
GMJ's BABIP in his contract year: .349
GMJ's career BABIP: .300
GMJ's BABIP the following 3 years with the Angels? .283....294...305
If the Angels looked at BABIP, they'd know he didn't turn a corner at all. He was the same GMJ.
Or the Angels could have just looked at his Avg, OBP, SLG, and OPS and seen the same thing everyone else saw. |
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Location: My Own Private Idaho | Lifetime - 6/15/2009 3:02 PM Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 3:00 PM I used to think that anyone could be a comedian. This thread has made me think otherwise. That's the first step to recovery Chili. This thread has moved to platinum status.... |
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| Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 3:04 PM
Lifetime - 6/15/2009 3:02 PM That's the first step to recovery Chili. You guys are the equivalent of curing a heroin addiction by ingesting 20 lbs of weapons grade plutonium.
Don't argue with success Chili. It's a bitter pill but it works. |
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Location: Along the mother road. | Don't argue with success Chili. It's a bitter pill but it works. I appreciate a good trolling but subtlety is the key. You guys are as subtle as Adam in a thong.
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| Yet, if you look at some of the quotes from Stoneman and Scioscia, you'd think they actually believed GMJ turned a corner! Talk about being wrong. All they had to do was look at his BABIP and compare it with his usual BABIP. They'd know he was going to revert back to the journeyman that he is. $50 million....down the drain! |
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Location: Along the mother road. | gotbeer - 6/15/2009 3:08 PM Or the Angels could have just looked at his Avg, OBP, SLG, and OPS and seen the same thing everyone else saw. What if the difference that season was him making more contact with the ball instead of the balls he did hit finding less outs? Which of those stats above provide that information?
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| IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 3:11 PM
What about Pujols?
He's unlucky this season. His BABIP this season is .283. It should rise to his customary .320 soon. Don't worry about the 22 HR, .324/.442/.689/1.131 uneducated line he's sporting right now. He'll get better. |
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Location: Along the mother road. | IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 3:11 PM What about Pujols? Taking a look rather boring like one might expect. No major aberrations.
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| IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 2:48 PM
HRs don't count. LOL !
I guess ground-rule doubles don't either, correct?
Must be a Wee Willie Keeler stat? lol |
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Location: My Own Private Idaho | Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 3:09 PM Don't argue with success Chili. It's a bitter pill but it works. I appreciate a good trolling but subtlety is the key. You guys are as subtle as Adam in a thong.
Chili there are places in my mind I don't want to go, that would be one of them. |
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| GlausGirl - 6/15/2009 3:21 PM Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 3:09 PM Don't argue with success Chili. It's a bitter pill but it works. I appreciate a good trolling but subtlety is the key. You guys are as subtle as Adam in a thong.
Chili there are places in my mind I don't want to go, that would be one of them.
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| Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 3:09 PM
Don't argue with success Chili. It's a bitter pill but it works. I appreciate a good trolling but subtlety is the key. You guys are as subtle as Adam in a thong.
Well, sorry you don't appreciate it. There has been no attempt at subtlety however so I guess it's job well done. |
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| Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 3:00 PM
I used to think that anyone could be a comedian. This thread has made me think otherwise.
If you actually got through this entire thread without a chuckle or two, I recommend a steady diet of Laurel and Hardy followed by the top 100 AFI Commedies to get the juices flowing again.
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Location: Along the mother road. | josquin - 6/15/2009 3:54 PM If you actually got through this entire thread without a chuckle or two, I recommend a steady diet of Laurel and Hardy followed by the top 100 AFI Commedies to get the juices flowing again. I don't know. While I accept that there are some Quinlans participating in this thread, I'd expect better from IE. Reading his posts was like watching the Magic in the 4th quarter last night. Uninspired and just mailing it in. Many more threads like this and it'll be time to swap him out with a hungry if unproven poster.
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Just think of this thread as a doinker. |
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| IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 4:07 PM
Chili, i was gone all weekend so i need to get back in playing shape. Trying to catch up to a 100mph heater that is this thread will take time.
Just think of this thread as a doinker.
So you're working on your BABIP then? |
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| Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 4:00 PM
josquin - 6/15/2009 3:54 PM If you actually got through this entire thread without a chuckle or two, I recommend a steady diet of Laurel and Hardy followed by the top 100 AFI Commedies to get the juices flowing again. I don't know. While I accept that there are some Quinlans participating in this thread, I'd expect better from IE. Reading his posts was like watching the Magic in the 4th quarter last night. Uninspired and just mailing it in. Many more threads like this and it'll be time to swap him out with a hungry if unproven poster.
Don't know about IE, but AO and Blarg are always there with a reality check and an occasional chuckle.
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Location: Along the mother road. | IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 4:07 PM Trying to catch up to a 100mph heater that is this thread will take time. Please. A thread titled BABIP is a hanging curve during a hot day game at New Yankee Stadium.
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Location: My Own Private Idaho | Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 4:11 PM IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 4:07 PM Trying to catch up to a 100mph heater that is this thread will take time. Please. A thread titled BABIP is a hanging curve during a hot day game at New Yankee Stadium.
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| In my opinion. To discredit BABIP entirely is idiotic, but so is basing a player based off of BABIP. This is just another tool that looks beyond the standard statistics. I wonder if there was this kind of debate when WHIP was established. |
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| Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 4:11 PM IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 4:07 PM Trying to catch up to a 100mph heater that is this thread will take time. Please. A thread titled BABIP is a hanging curve during a hot day game at New Yankee Stadium.
And yet, Tex struggled early in the season. It happens!!! |
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| IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 4:14 PM
Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 4:11 PM IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 4:07 PM Trying to catch up to a 100mph heater that is this thread will take time. Please. A thread titled BABIP is a hanging curve during a hot day game at New Yankee Stadium.
And yet, Tex struggled early in the season. It happens!!!
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Location: AngelsWin.com: Where Angels Fans Are @ | Adam - 6/15/2009 4:23 PM Seriously considering printing each page of this thread in color, laminating it, and passing it out to each of my employees, then issuing a quiz on it Friday. This would be the look on their faces after they've skimmed over the pages.  followed up by a 
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Location: Along the mother road. | dochalo - 6/15/2009 4:34 PM I have a BABIP after reading this thread (big ass bulge in pants) It was the thought of Adam and the thong, wasn't it?
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| Chilidaviseyez - 6/15/2009 4:35 PM
dochalo - 6/15/2009 4:34 PM I have a BABIP after reading this thread (big ass bulge in pants) It was the thought of Adam and the thong, wasn't it?
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