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I got curious. Wow, umm, no wonder I never heard of it. First time I've every seen where you can strike out and it would actually help your stats. |
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| Then again, it's the perfect Angels stat. Since home runs don't count. |
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Just think if a hitter strikes out every at bat he has the dreaded BABIP of 0/0 |
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| josquin - 6/14/2009 10:59 PM
Just think if a hitter strikes out every at bat he has the dreaded BABIP of 0/0
Well dammit. Mathis is an average MLB BABIP. No wonder he's starting over Napoli.
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=3448&position=C&page=... |
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Well, one can hope, right? |
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Its not really a stat that tells you if a player is "good" or "bad". The purpose of BABIP is to measure luck, essentially.
How many times have you seen a guy square up a ball and hit a line drive right into a fielder's glove? How many times have you seen a little dribbler barely squeeze through the infield? Sometimes you get lucky or unlucky in baseball. If either happens over an extended period of time its reflected in your BABIP.
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| BABIP is in no way 'luck' for a hitter. |
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| AngelsLakersFan - 6/15/2009 12:06 AM
BABIP is in no way 'luck' for a hitter.
Maybe you can give a better explaination.
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| BABIP was designed to measure luck in pitchers because the number appears random for them. It's really just highly volatile, so its hard to measure true skill level in it. For hitters though there is a clear talent level that can be extracted from it. Hitters with high BABIP tend to be mashers with big power and lots of K's like Jim Thome (I think him and Ruth are close for #1 all time). I guess you could try to measure luck with it by seeing if a player is way off of his career pace, but it could also be that the hitter is just sucking. |
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| Angels players BABIP:
Figgins .382
Abreu .349
Hunter .331
Vlad .308
Napoli .308
Morales .293
Rivera .308
Aybar .317
Izturis .318
Kendrick .269
Wood .302 in AAA
Pitchers:
Weaver .245
Saunders .272
Santana .378
Lackey .351
Palmer .258
Fuentes .361
So what BABIP is saying is, all our hitters are way about league average. Good news is, all our hitters are better than Albert Pujols who has a .283 BABIP. What a crappy hitter. |
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| Thome's BABIP isn't even close to being highest of all time. It's just .326 for his career. Abreu's career BABIP is .352. Figgins' is 345. Kendrick's was .360 before this year's suckfest. Ichiro's is .357 (thanks to those infield hits). Jeter's is .360. Etc etc.
Hitters with high BABIP either tend to be those speedsters who get a ton of infield hits or those guys who simply rake and hit the ball hard, but may not hit a lot of HRs. Remember, HRs don't count towards BABIP. |
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| Wow. A stat that measures luck.
Has to be accurate, right? |
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| IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 10:02 AM Wow. A stat that measures luck. Has to be accurate, right? Vlad has a career .319 BABIP while Quinlin has a .316. So you can see how obvious the difference between these two players are in terms of offensive production through all of the regular stats like Avg, Obp, Slg and Ops while BABIP proves Quinlan is the luckiest SOB in baseball..
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| Fan Strong - 6/15/2009 10:01 AM
Thome's BABIP isn't even close to being highest of all time. It's just .326 for his career. Abreu's career BABIP is .352. Figgins' is 345. Kendrick's was .360 before this year's suckfest. Ichiro's is .357 (thanks to those infield hits). Jeter's is .360. Etc etc.
Hitters with high BABIP either tend to be those speedsters who get a ton of infield hits or those guys who simply rake and hit the ball hard, but may not hit a lot of HRs. Remember, HRs don't count towards BABIP.
I was probably thinking of contact average. Basically the same, but it counts homeruns. BABIP is kind of useless for hitter because it doesn't measure luck and ignores homeruns. |
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| AngelsLakersFan - 6/15/2009 12:09 PM
Fan Strong - 6/15/2009 10:01 AM
Thome's BABIP isn't even close to being highest of all time. It's just .326 for his career. Abreu's career BABIP is .352. Figgins' is 345. Kendrick's was .360 before this year's suckfest. Ichiro's is .357 (thanks to those infield hits). Jeter's is .360. Etc etc.
Hitters with high BABIP either tend to be those speedsters who get a ton of infield hits or those guys who simply rake and hit the ball hard, but may not hit a lot of HRs. Remember, HRs don't count towards BABIP.
I was probably thinking of contact average. Basically the same, but it counts homeruns. BABIP is kind of useless
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| IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 10:02 AM
Wow. A stat that measures luck.
Has to be accurate, right?
smarter people than you have spent hundreds of hours analyzing batted ball data to find useful data, and BABIP is a hugely important and useful finding. There are some misconceptions about what it is and refinements to the initial conclusion derived by Voros McCracken are being made all the time. There really is some amazing stuff going on in statistical analysis. Point being, if you want to weigh in with an opinion on something, maybe you should spend a little time learning about it, instead of making carte blanche denigrations of a concept you're clearly completely ignorant of.
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| That works too, although I wont say it is completely useless for a pitcher, you just have to know what you are looking at. |
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| ModernFaulkner - 6/15/2009 1:30 PM IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 10:02 AM Wow. A stat that measures luck. Has to be accurate, right? smarter people than you have spent hundreds of hours analyzing batted ball data to find useful data, and BABIP is a hugely important and useful finding. There are some misconceptions about what it is and refinements to the initial conclusion derived by Voros McCracken are being made all the time. There really is some amazing stuff going on in statistical analysis. Point being, if you want to weigh in with an opinion on something, maybe you should spend a little time learning about it, instead of making carte blanche denigrations of a concept you're clearly completely ignorant of. Yep, because when I think of talking sports with someone, its computer geeks I always think of first. |
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| How can it be useless? BABIP is batting average on balls in play. It just shows what his batting average is on balls in play (not counting HRs, which are sure hits)...nothing more. That's all it was intended to show for hitters. If you want a real measure of how well a hitter hits, look at wOBA.
As for luck...hitter BABIP isn't luck. Sure, anyone can have a fluke year. Look at Magglio Ordonez's .385 BABIP in 2007. He then had a .338 BABIP in 2008 and .320 so far in 2009. His career BABIP is .320. That 2007 is luck. His career BABIP is not. And you can't measure "luck" because every hitter is different. Some will naturally have higher BABIP than others. That's why you look at career BABIP. When a hitter has a .400 BABIP in one year, yet his career BABIP is .350 or so, that's luck. When his career BABIP is .350, yet his BABIP in one year is .250, that's bad luck. Assuming there are no injuries or any of that stuff. That's how you can look at luck and bad luck. |
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| Fan Strong - 6/15/2009 10:01 AM Thome's BABIP isn't even close to being highest of all time. It's just .326 for his career. Abreu's career BABIP is .352. Figgins' is 345. Kendrick's was .360 before this year's suckfest. Ichiro's is .357 (thanks to those infield hits). Jeter's is .360. Etc etc. Hitters with high BABIP either tend to be those speedsters who get a ton of infield hits or those guys who simply rake and hit the ball hard, but may not hit a lot of HRs. Remember, HRs don't count towards BABIP. How about hitters with an unusually high percentage of doinks and/or squibs? I've heard that at least one player owes more than 25% of his BA to such slop. |
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| AngelsLakersFan - 6/15/2009 12:31 PM
That works too, although I wont say it is completely useless for a pitcher, you just have to know what you are looking at.
Yeah, well I think I understand it pretty well and I find little to no use for it pitchers or hitters. I don't think it reveals anything |
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| With seeing all of these acronyms, I have just one thing to say.
Please pass the Advil...I have a headache. |
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| mtangelsfan - 6/15/2009 12:32 PM
ModernFaulkner - 6/15/2009 1:30 PM IEBRUIN - 6/15/2009 10:02 AM Wow. A stat that measures luck. Has to be accurate, right? smarter people than you have spent hundreds of hours analyzing batted ball data to find useful data, and BABIP is a hugely important and useful finding. There are some misconceptions about what it is and refinements to the initial conclusion derived by Voros McCracken are being made all the time. There really is some amazing stuff going on in statistical analysis. Point being, if you want to weigh in with an opinion on something, maybe you should spend a little time learning about it, instead of making carte blanche denigrations of a concept you're clearly completely ignorant of. Yep, because when I think of talking sports with someone, its computer geeks I always think of first.
This is the biggest problem with trying to have an intelligent discussion about sports. The meat head with the 1.80 GPA always thinks he knows what he's talking about. |
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Location: My Own Private Idaho | Angel Oracle - 6/15/2009 12:35 PM With seeing all of these acronyms, I have just one thing to say. Please pass the Advil...I have a headache. I use Advil for cramps.  |
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BABIP....?????
